
Fuck AI
"We did it, Patrick! We made a technological breakthrough!"
A place for all those who loathe AI to discuss things, post articles, and ridicule the AI hype. Proud supporter of working people. And proud booer of SXSW 2024.
AI, in this case, refers to LLMs, GPT technology, and anything listed as "AI" meant to increase market valuations.
Liability is going to be the death knell for broad scale reliance on any of these llms. Removing liability is the only path towards profitability
That's the endgame, isn't it? Not only is it going to be forced on us with promises that it will be our assistant we can delegate things to, but we will also we accountable for its calamities for "not having monitored it good enough".
I work in radiology and I’ve been saying this for years. AI tools probably won’t replace us because of liability. We will have all of the liability while AI tools push us to work faster and faster for less money. I suspect this will happen with a lot of jobs.
It takes less efffort to eliminate the man whipping you than it takes to perform the work at the unreasonable rate your current whip demands. Delay work, Deny work, Defend your fellow workers. Turn the weapons of the oppression against it, UNITE, UNIONISE!
like some posts on the subs, they probably want to staff hospitals less and put all the work on the few mds they hire, to squeeze out more work for them, without hiring more radiologists,MD.
The trick is end users will be held accountable for things their AI does, while corporations and governments will say "an AI did it" and wash their hands of it.
The problem with this is that the corpos will fight each other over IP/copyright/liscensing laws.
Yeah, if they can work out some kind a framework, then when blam, that is neo/technofuedalism formalized.
But the problem is that they are, in addition to ravenously insane, greedy as fuck.
Our legal system is slowly building precedent for how this kind of shit will shake out in court... but there are no broadly well understood and clear guidelines here, there's no framework for this.
But!
They're doing move fast and break things with trillions of dollars.
And if when the spinning plates start flying apart, they will eat each other, it will be complete fucking chaos, because they moved way faster than apparently their ability to even consider or estimate what the rules for this will look like.
They did not think any of this shit through, at all.
indeed isn't it curious how copilot and other llms, fox news, gb news and hasan piker all play the "entertainment" card to avoid accountability and responsibility for the poisonous drivel they peddle
cowards
One of the reasons corporations adopted computers was that they never made mistakes and solved tasks quickly and reliably. None of that is true anymore if you add AI into your workflow.
it's like adding an extra layer of user error. why would you want to do that? as a dev myself it's like the bullshit middle managers/project managers and CTOs introduced a few years ago with "pair programming" or whatever it's called. the intention was to speed up development time but in long run it just slowed you down. it was such a god damn dumb idea but was all the rave on the bullshit linkedin and tech bro blogs.
i've been in this industry long enough now to know the majority of tools and processes are created by people who don't use said tools or processes.
it's like adding an extra layer of user error.
An extra level of user error that you can't audit.
I work as an officer manager, an import part of my job is auditing all the contacts and payments to make sure they are being done properly. Then my work also gets audited on a regular basis.
And lot of time and money is spent making sure things are completed properly with the appropriate paperwork so that at any point someone can say "why did X happen?" and find all the related paperwork. AI can't do that, it's a black box.
... So, they are just straight up saying that the primary 'feature' they've been pushing hard for the last 3 years... is actually a literal, next-level clown show?

If you know anyone who works at Microsoft, please do remind them that they are an evil clown.
Doesn't that make them in violation of truth-in-advertising laws? If they're marketing it as a serious productivity tool, but legally it's "for entertainment purposes only" , then their ads claim its something that it's not.
The legal system is just for the poors. Companies and rich folks don’t have legal consequences unless they hurt other rich people
That's a whole lot of money and effort put into a thing that costs nothing to use "just for entertainment".
They can't do the ~~drug dealer~~ freemium rug pull yet, but that's coming as soon as they think they have enough people hooked enough to force the conversion from free users to paid users.
If it's free, you're the product. Then, when they make it not free anymore, you pay to be the product.
The fox news defense?
Don't worry Microsoft, it's ok. I don't rely on copilot for anything at all. I don't use windows anymore. I don't understand linux, but......well, fuck windows.
Same here. I'm fortunate enough to live with someone who understands Linux so I can make the switch without too many problems, but no Microsoft product will be running on any equipment I own soon enough. The last holdout is my phone, which uses an Android system, but my next phone won't run any American product of any kind and that's the end of my reliance on the slop-mongers of the US tech scene.
I'm just so dumbfounded that this isn't obvious to everyone who has 1. average intelligence, 2. a five minute explanation of how it works.
You should trust it exactly as much as a magic 8 ball. Alternatively, replace all source reference of "according to << favorite packaged LLM >> ..." with "according to my 10 year old nephew who is playing a game of never-say-you-don't-know...".
Which isn't to say that LLMs can't be useful. But if you trust any fact based output from such a text generator, that you can't (or don't) verify yourself, you seem exactly as dumb and liable as if you said "but... but... the magic 8 ball said it would be fine!".
And if you have to do the research yourself anyway to verify what the LLM spits out, you might as well start with that, forget the AI, and save time.
This is where I land.
The vast majority of my work, if I ran it through an LLM, would make it mandatory to do more testing and verification than is needed in the first place... so there's no goddamn point.
Ok, so heres how this works.
Step 1: Apparently you have never worked anywhere near 'customer service' in a tech related way.
Step 2: You are vastly, vastly overestimating the intelligence of the average user/person.
Sorry, most people are just fucking idiots who act far more competent, in general, at any/everything, than they actually are.
That's it, there are no more steps.
Your baseline for 'average person' is actually more like top ~25 to ~10 % of people.
The average adult American reads at a 5th-6th grade level.
That is your actual average, the intelligence of an 11 year old.
The average adult American is your 10 y.o. nephew, just bigger, and more cocky.
Someone at work: OMG, I can't believe I haven't tried Copilot before, this is so great! Look, I asked it about how to do the thing in the framework and it came back and told me the pattern!
Me: Types the same prompt into Copilot, but replaces name of the framework with a very clearly made up word. Gets similar response telling me confidently how to do it in my made up framework.
Them: Ah, right. You did say bullshit generator, I get it now.
If only there was a catagory of laws that punishes you for advertising something in deceptive ways.
One could dream.
It's a Magic Eight Ball that devours resources to vomit up ornate platitudes.
Ah yes, just for entertainment purposes only; that is exactly why we are pumping billions of dollars into it in such a way that basically the entire economy is standing on it now and destroying the world along with it. Entertainment!
All of those advertisements and reccomended prompts about various topics like health, mental health, facts, studying? All Entertainment!
We normalized the idea that regulations on business that prevent them from springing us with shoddy products that harm us, or maliciously use our data to exploit us, are too onerous and anti-competitive, so let's just let the corpos put some magic words in an EULA/TOS/Privacy Policy to allow them to caveat emptor us to death.
We could use a revitalization of the consumer rights movement from the grassroots, but it's a real uphill battle and every year it gets harder.
Adds entertainment button to all your laptops
Should tell that to Allstate. My company just rolled this out and want us using for serious business.
It'll go the way of Internet Explorer. Just like it, it is completely outperformed by the competition and no matter how hard Microslop tries to jam it down its user's throats people still ignore it.

From the "Destiny" comic of Safely Endangered.
uhhh.... not exactly the best example, since Internet Explorer reached over 90% market share by replacing Netscape Navigator and was the dominant browser for over a decade. Everybody used it. It took Chrome years to get a foothold.
Mind you, early IE was very competitive with Netscape. It was only after they had outcompeted Netscape and introduced the abomination that was ActiveX that IE became the shambling corpse of a browser that we remember.
Heck, some of IE's reputation is because of ActiveX applets that only ran in IE6 and kept being used for years and years. (Not that later versions of IE were good but IE6 specifically casted a very long shadow and held back the Web for ages.)
There were also compatibility issues with the "CSS box model", where IE6 didn't follow the spec at all and broke nearly every site in every other browser because elements ended up with different sizes.
They fixed that with IE7, and we finally entered the utopia CSS promised with every browser agreeing on how to size elements.
And then everybody realised the CSS defaults were wrong, and the IE6 behaviour actually made more sense, and now pretty much any complicated site will opt back into the IE6 box model.
they know thier datacenters arnt paying for themselves, so they are desperately tyring to jam it into everything in hte hopes it would pay off or stem the hemmorhaging of money they invested. they have largely abandoned XBOX already.
Yeah, try telling that to the workplaces that now implement it everywhere.
I think it's this:

Microsoft forces CoPilot on you.
“Don’t rely on Copilot for important advice. Use Copilot at your own risk.”
Wait, what happened with “bicycles for your brain”?
They were invited to a polite tea party by a committee of wandering shoelaces, then elected mayor of a small cloud. After taking office, the bicycles for the brain organized a protest demanding socks learn to whistle. In response, gravity sent a delegation of polite spoons who offered everyone tiny umbrellas and a subscription to moonlight. The bicycles accepted, traded their handlebars for pocket watches, and moved into the nearest pocket dimension where they now run a cooperative that knits metaphors into breakfast cereal.
I have no idea what this means, but strangely I like it.
My company says it’s the only one I can use. And we have to use it, cause someone said so.