matlag

I thought multiple times about resurrecting this: https://www.lincrevable.com/en/

Or they could extend the definition of "terrorist" enough that pretty much anyone they want to target will qualify. And who would defend a terrorist?

She voted 3 times for a racist idiot. The last time she knew he was also a pedo.

I may have missed some posts, but I didn's see a word about deportations tearing apart families. She's cool with that. She's angry because Trump hurt the "wrong gmoups". He was supposed to hurt only some other groups.

Fortunately for me, I don't live in the US, I am not a US citizen, and I don't have to "accept her".

I bet she will rally behind the next guy promising to hurt "others", but posing as anti-Trump because he hurt some "good" Americans.

They would most likely claim this is dem fake news and/or put the responsibility of her demise on her.

It's not just taking a stand. I may not be clear enough. There are 2 benefits in my eyes in defederating:

• Prevent fake news flood that you will never be able to counter (Brandolini's law).
• Keep this a safe space for minorities (I'm sure we have some on this instance). They don't have to read random crap about how they should not exist or other offensive comments, and they should be able to post about who they are without fear of getting targeted.

Time has proven again and again that tolerating the intolerants turns the place into an intolerant one.

As for how they'll take it: I don't have the slightest beginning of hope that exchanging with them here would have any impact on their world's vision. You don't convince cultists with rational discussions on Internet. So let them think they "proved their point". I don't care.

Edit: And of course, being MAGA is not who you are, but what you decide to be through your actions, for example registering to an openly fascist instance.

Fair point, let me adjust a bit: there's a difference between hating someone for what he says or does, and hating someone for what they are.

As for lies in the open, I disagree: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandolini's_law The amount of energy it takes to debunk a lie is an order of magnitude bigger than it takes to post it..

You know, for a lot of us, the title MAGA is just as good as Fascist.

They could have called themselves "conservatives", "right-wingers" etc. But they chose "MAGA", the fascist's branch of the GOP.

I don't need to engage with them to figure anything more than I would engage a nazi.place or fascist.place.

Except you can't be neutral with people spreading hate. You can't stay neutral when a side say "I just want to exist" and the other's answer is "We should kill you all!".

I think we all know the poem "First they came for...".

Let me add that quote:

"The world will not be destroyed by those who do evil, but by those who watch them without doing anything." Albert Einstein

You can't be neutral here.

Hate is not a dissenting voice. Wishing people dead is not a dissenting voice. Spreading lies is not expressing a different point of view.

I believe there are many different opinions here already, and through the rest of Lemmy.

We don't need to debate nazis. We had enough experience with them already.

He probably didn't even realize he was confessing.

Defederate!

Being "MAGA" is not associated with conservatism, it's claiming your support for a openly fascist president at war with his a part of his own people. MAGA is not a political view, it's an aggregate of hate against pretty much all minorities: immigrants, LGBTQ, muslims,...

Here I'm going to point:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandolini's_law It takes much more energy to prove an "alternative fact" as wrong than to dump it in a post.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance If you tolerate the intolerant, you enable intolerance.

Don't we have minorities on this instance? Are we really advocating for a constructive dialogue between groups of people who just want to exist and people who wish these other groups could be exterminated?

Yes