It’s probably better to read the philosophers Uncle Ted was pulling from (and ultimately failed to understand).
Ellul especially.
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It’s probably better to read the philosophers Uncle Ted was pulling from (and ultimately failed to understand).
Ellul especially.
Might be a matter of taste, but ISAIF is worth a read on the basis of its wild mix of sociological brilliance and unhingedness IMO. That’s not to say I endorse blowing people up in the slightest, but the work stands taller than the sum of its influences.
E.g. I think he synthesized and added to quite a few different authors in presenting his concept of oversocialization. (Please do correct me if I’m off-base — I love philosophy but it’s not my main wheelhouse).
ISAIF?
Industrialized Society and Its Future (name of the manifesto)
It's Slways Aunny in Filadelphia
Has good points... decides the best way to bring those points to the world is planting bombs.
Adam Lanza had some good points about autism (remember when he called into that radio show?). His subsequent expression of his feelings about the world was less than optimal. There's no need to give the cunt kudos for his insights.
This is some "say what you like about Hitler, but at least he made the trains run on time!" level of vacuous.
I'm not saying that bombs were a good or acceptable idea, but I am saying that if it weren't for the bombs, none of us would have read that manifesto to consider this post.
Thanos has good points. How he dealt with the problem is the issue.
Should have doubled the resources!
Jesus I never considered that alternative
He was "The Mad Titan", not "The Reasonable Titan".
yeah, no matter their points, they still killed people. Fuck 'em.
Wasn't that Mussolini?
(Source: xkcd282)
I mean, you're not entirely wrong, but TK killed 3 and injured less than 30. Harry Truman killed vastly more people than TK and he's essentially lauded, as most ex presidents are.
To all the people in the comments being like "Ted had some good points." Judi Bari, Peter Kropotkin, and Murray Bookchin are all people who have written about environmentalism and the problems of technology, industrialization, and such and better than the reactionary psychopath did. Fascists love the unabomber and use him to normalize eco-fascism. Stop fucking saying he had good points cause there are better authors who have made those same points without all the fucking reactionary and eco-fascism tied to it.
Uhhhhh
Stop fucking saying he had good points cause there are better authors who have made those same points
Doesn’t this inherently imply he does in fact have good points if they’re making the same points… you also make a good point that there’s better sources that don’t come with a ton of ideology baggage but what your saying here is yes he does have good points but read someone else saying his points instead
Yes that is what I am saying. But just because someone made some good points doesn't mean we should keep using them as the defacto idealogue. Imagine if we kept saying "Hitler had some good points" when talking about animal rights or Osama Bin Laden for anti-imperialism. If you want an edgy thing to make a meme like this out of, use the ELF or ALF. Two groups that are controversial but lack the eco-fascism narrative of the unabomber.
To be clear, he was not an eco fascist, he stood against fascism. But he was en eco terrorist.
Not really enjoying this trend of everything being labelled as "fascism" these days.
there are better authors who have made those same points without all the fucking reactionary and eco-fascism tied to it.
Seems like a great reason to discuss Ted's viewpoints. We should definitely discuss the ineffectual extremists. Compare and contrast. Weigh and measure. That's what truth-seekers do. Telling people not to read a particular author borders on censorship.
But asking people to expand their reading list and providing actual recommendations - that is wonderful and commendable. Thank you for that!
In case anyone is interested, I made some videos to help explain both Kropotkin and Bookchin:
The longer I work in tech, the more I want to move to a farm 50km from neighbours with just me, my partner, a couple dogs, chickens, and cows.
The longer I ~~work in tech~~ exist, the more I want to move to a farm 50km from neighbours with just me, my partner, a couple dogs, chickens, and cows.
"The more I work in tech, the more I wish I was independently wealthy."
I love how people use the word "just" when making statements about the simple life.
Simple ain't always cheap....
Simple ain't easy either. Fix yer plumbing, fix yer roof, fix yer fence, feed yer chickens (yes, every day!), clean their poop, etc. etc. etc.
Homesteading is a lot of work, and you can't just go away for a weekend to visit a friend or explore a new city. It needs constant attention, and the more "independent/self-reliant/off-the-grid" you want to be, the more you need to do everything yourself.
And even then you need to buy supplies and materials. You're not going to grow a year's-worth of food in your backyard vegetable patch, and you're not gonna make your own lumber, pvc, copper wire, etc.
There's a lot you can do to achieve a greater degree of independence, but ultimately it's still dependencies all the way down.
Even the Buddha recognized the interconnectedness of everything in the world; he wasn't just some detached stoic with a community of self-sustaining monks. They depended on the generosity of their surrounding communities, and to this day Buddhist monks still do.
you should look at open land out in deep rural areas.
you're more likely to kill yourself than get a farm these days.
not since the corporations bought up all the farm land.
A broken clock is right twice a day
From what I understand, he was broken by what he was right about.
Did you know that Northrup Grumman developed the standard USPS mail truck? They also developed the B2 stealth bomber. Northrup never intended for their truck to also be a stealth bomber, but Ted said "I'm about to do what's called a 'pro gamer' move."
Ted had some good ideas, it's just how we went about doing what he did I take issue with.
but if he was just a peaceful crank on the street corner holding a sign people would have ignored him. Nobody listened till the bombs went off. And when he was caught all they did was make fun of his cabin. Personally I thought it was a nice cabin in a nice location.
Great taste but awful execution.
Technology is cool

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Haven't read unobomber's manifesto and probably never will because fuck anyone who seeks attention this way.
I don't approve of his methods, either.
Then again, I don't approve of the Church's methods, but there's some pretty good stuff buried in the Christian bible, too.
Reading something doesn't mean you need to agree with the author. It's not like people are financially supporting the Unibomber, or excusing his actions, when they read his manifesto. They're just studying history.
Unabomer is how the news wrote it.