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Huh, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a controller with more than 15 ports anyway. Usually looking through the device manager (or lspci) there are multiple USB controllers on a motherboard (mine has 4 for example) so theoretically you could do 60 ports. Also what can do you about chaining to hubs? Since technically the spec lets you chain up to 127 devices.
But the bigger question is, what in the world are you doing that’s requiring 15 ports.
15 mice
That’s called a rat king
someone is going to nerdsnipe me so i will add that technically its 15 registered ports per USB controller, so you can add a dongle and have more than 15. a mobo usually only has 1 USB controller for way more than 15 USB ports though, Apple added this arbitrary restriction for no reason since none of their devices have that many ports. so a typical PC motherboard just straight up destabilizes the system lmfao
Okay but what kind of application is it used for that you exceed 15 ports filled??
I helped run a Kickstarter where one of our rewards was Mac and PC software on custom USB sticks.
We had a couple hubs set up and cloned the drives 20 at a time.
For my work, I personally have:
Then a couple of loose cables for connecting the random devices, like a tablet for adb purposes, DSLR, etc. Not including the built-in devices on the laptop which show up as USB devices, like the crappy built-in webcam, microsd only card reader in the worlds stupidest spot, etc.
I'd say its easy to hit 15 - thats only the USB devices attached to my work laptop.
Ok that was legit.
Do you had recommendations for powered USB 2 and 3 hubs that are decent quality? I’m so sick of plugging things in and they don’t have enough power.
Sabrent. Bit more money, but I like the ones with built in power switches per port (handy for testing disconnection events), and the build quality is solid. Power supplies they provide can be a bit bulky, but I mount them in my rack so its not really a problem for me.
Anker I like for their slimmer powered hubs, but those mostly sit in my laptop backpack, not the daily driver on my home office desk.
but why would you need [thing that is already technically possible and could conceivably be needed]???
Are you an apple dev?
When I worked for Apple, I do remember the iOS devs having racks of iOS devices all being flashed at the same time off a single Mac. But I don't remember the count and this was years ago—like Snow Leopard to El Cap era.
I was just kind of data analytics, but the labs were near my area, so can't really give much more info, but mildly interesting, I guess?
I am just asking what they are doing to need that as I cannot think of anything off the top of my head
Music production.
I mean, it's pretty easy to imagine needing 10 USB ports. I think I'm using around that many myself on my desktop. Then just add a couple more for things that may be things needed temporarily.
My kids gaming pc tower has a set of usb ports on the back and a set on the front. It’s great to have options, but he’s not going to use them all. Ie he has ten usb ports for the five he uses
Fair enough, but not everyone is your kid. Needing to have things plugged in at once shouldn't need defending. I would prefer to leave things plugged in if I can. USB supports that, so why wouldn't I?
I can hardly imagine needing 15 ports at the same time.
Doesn't exactly inspire confidence in your imagination.
Well I am currently using about 5-6 ports on my PC and 2 of those are not really needed. I can imagine using a couple more but certainly not 15.
I could fill them up but I don't have a scenario where I actually need that many things plugged in at the same time in the first place.
The thing is though, every situation is different. I'm glad the designers of USB did not think like you do. Having the ability to use a lot of devices might be rare but it's definitely been needed before, whether or not others can imagine it.
Fuck's sake I was just asking what they were using it for that they filled out 15 ports and everyone is attacking me for thinking 15 is too much or something.even though I never stated that
The question wasn't a problem. The repeated implications that it's too many is obviously what annoyed people.
I never implied it's too many. I just said I cannot think of a way to use 15 ports (as in my personal setup). Might not have been the most clear but never implied it.
Well I'm truly not trying to argue with you I'm just saying how I read it and I presume from the other comments how they read it too.
How many cups and plates do you own? Why more than 1?
Bad analogy
No
meanwhile I'm overhere with...
keyboard, mouse, camera, 4x flash drive, game controller, ebook reader, external storage disk, printer, VR headset, multimedia card reader, LED controller, my monitor (USBc display + hub + KVM) and my phone...
ofcourse not all at the same time. but I have a mess of USB extensions and hubs as I don't have enough root Ports lol
(Linux not hacintosh) I apparently couldn't run it if I wanted to.
Yeah that was my main thing. It can be done but most people don't need all of those plugged in constantly
Well, from an Apple pov, there’s no reason to change that limit (which is probably there because of some legacy limitation) until they release a device with more usb ports, which they probably won’t. macOS isn’t supposed to run on your pc motherboard after all.
But I agree that it’s annoying. I was daily driving a hackintosh with catalina for two years. Wasn’t the easiest setup.
Yeah, but from Apple's perspective, a lot of shitty things make more sense but I still ain't okay with them :)
I was thinking of trying to do hackintosh before I switched to Linux. I think I dodged a bullet.
Yeah, and from an Apple POV it makes sense to take away common ports just to make the phone .01mm thinner and sell you a shitty peripheral to replace the hardware port.
Doesn't mean it's a good idea or something that people would accept from a company they didn't have cult like devotion towards.
It's not actually that hard to get up there. Mechanical keyboard, wired mouse, external drives, headset, webcam, other peripherals, etc. And if you are trying to do anything more involved like music production, you end up needing way more (audio interfaces, midi controllers, etc.).
one physical USB-A socket on the machine can read as two USB ports virtually due to that physical socket supporting USB 2.0 and USB 3.0 at the same time, I believe its a backwards compat thing. I think there might also be internal USB ports as well but don't quote me on that. On mobos with 8+ physical USB A sockets it can easily get past the 16 limit unless you specifically disable the USB 2.0 port, which then might break older devices relying on that and it becomes a whole headache. this person explains it better than I can
Ah I see. So it's more like plugging in 5-10 things exceeds the limit.
Off the top of my head: Sensors. E.g. in some underfunded university lab.
That would make sense. Didn't think of it.
I'm probably past that.
With what though? Just curious
Hard drives, DVD/BD-ROM drives, game controllers, a floppy drive, webcam, charging cable, a scanner, there's more i'm probably forgetting.
And you have all those constantly plugged in? I' probably hate the cable mess
More realistic option is 15 other Logitech wireless device receivers, and you don't know which one goes to your current mouse and keyboard, so you just leave them all plugged in.
At least, that is my experience working in IT. Personal record was 6.
A lot of that can be easily cable managed, most people just don't bother with the effort of making it look nice.
"so a typical PC motherboard destabilizes the system" you don't say. Steve jobs killed the external Macos program they had for GSeries and m68k Mac's when he came back saying internally "if you let competition thrive you cannot drive demand".
so I think we can guess why it's hard coded lol
What in the world kind of job makes you set up a Hackintosh? 😭 while I’m stuck here with company managed Windows on a Thinkpad where I can’t even customise my wallpaper…
I built and set up mine back in the High Sierra days (hobby project ofc.) I kept it going for years but finally gave up a few months ago; didn’t feel worth it anymore when Intel is on its way out of the Apple ecosystem. Could have easily keep it going it I didn’t care about staying up to date with MacOS major releases.
What in the world kind of job makes you set up a Hackintosh?
Probably a contractor role at a company that uses some Mac software in the role they're hiring for. So it's more of a situation of "do you have a Mac you can use for this job?". That's my guess anyhow.
are hackintoshes still a thing? Are you just using an old Intel MacOS?