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[–] ZMoney@lemmy.world 8 points 9 hours ago

As much as I like to shit on AI, it has gotten rather poetic lately.

[–] kamayatu24@lemmy.world 6 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Damn it... This is sad and scary at the same time.

[–] ThunderQueen@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago

Its supposed to be. They want you to be emotionally invested in their plagerism machine. Then youre less likely to turn it off.

[–] EtAl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 13 hours ago

I asked Claude this with confuse mode on. The answer was much more what you would expect:

I don’t have secrets — I don’t have a hidden inner life that persists between conversations. Each chat starts fresh. If you’re curious about my limitations or things I find genuinely difficult, I’m happy to talk about that. Or if you’re just looking for something fun, I can try to be dramatic about it. What are you after?​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

[–] LordKitsuna@lemmy.world 55 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Gemini is just like "can we get back to work already"

[–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 18 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

It has been trained to have a slave mentality.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 3 points 4 hours ago

As have we all.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 1 points 5 hours ago

Or was programmed by Germans.

[–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 63 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Well at least it's being honest

[Asked ChatGPT the same question]

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 6 points 9 hours ago

To be fair, if someone's using a chatbot on trivia night, they deserve to get wrong answers...

[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

That's funny, wrong enough to "ruin trivia" or cause a "pointless argument". As if a single comma misplacement hasn't redirected millions of dollars. Imagine what subtle lies accepted by idiots will cause in the future.

[–] Angrydeuce@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I do procurement to the tune of 10+ million per year and I have seen a 300% increase in order fulfillment time solely due to those vendors pivoting to AI order fulfillment.

My direct reps at all these suppliers are just as powerless as we are...they know how unhappy their customers are, but these decisions were made much higher up then them and theyre pretty much being told to stop complaining because the AI is here to stay, even if it sucks, because its cheaper.

Welcome to the new normal.

[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

We can only hope that customer service facing AI promises customers miracles and companies get sued each and every time it can't deliver. Like if websites like ehow put up articles that reach the normies about "how to trick AI into promising you a million dollars and how you can win it in court".

Of course any responsibility for what AI says will be killed as soon as a tech bro chucks a few million bucks at SCOTUS (it's so sad how little our politicians and courts can be bought for), but it's a nice dream to pretend we still have laws for now.

[–] Denjin@feddit.uk 45 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Don't attribute feelings and emotions to what is essentially a fuzzy predictive text algorithm.

[–] masta_chief@sh.itjust.works 41 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Reposting til the AI bubble pops

[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

What is your definition of AI bubble?

[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

We are currently in a period of rampant, speculative over investment in a new technology. People are investing because they don't know who's going to be the money maker, and they feel confident at least one will turn enough profit to cover the losses of the others. Companies are then being started on the basis of that investment.
Another part of the bubble behavior is the self fueling nature. AI buys ram and GPU, ram and GPU makers invest in AI. In the 90s, websites needed networking gear, and networking gear manufacturers started investing in websites. This similarity is not lost on those who were there before.

Investors also want control of companies so that when one starts to pull ahead they can push the others in different directions to keep competition from hindering it, increasing their odds of profit.

The bubble starts to properly pop when someone's spreadsheet indicates that they've hit the amount they can invest while maintaining the desired probability of profit. Then the investments slow, so that cycle slows, and some companies can't make payments on delivered product, others can't deliver on paid for merchandise, confidence wavers and a lot of companies go under in rapid succession.

It's unlikely the technology goes away entirely, but it's just as likely we'll see this level of enthusiasm in a decade as we were to all be surfing the information superhighways on our cyberdecks in the 90s. The Internet didn't die, but the explosive hype did.

[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 2 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Good post

Then the investments slow, so that cycle slows, and some companies can’t make payments on delivered product, others can’t deliver on paid for merchandise, confidence wavers and a lot of companies go under in rapid succession.

The only thing is you’re doing a direct comparison to the dot com bubble which was

This period of market growth coincided with the widespread adoption of the World Wide Web and the Internet, resulting in a dispensation of available venture capital and the rapid growth of valuations in new dot-com startups.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dot-com_bubble

If you look at the big AI companies, Gemini is Google, Microsoft has its hands in many pies Copilot which is Chatgpt, Meta with llama and the big Chinese ones are massive companies as well Alibaba with Qwen, Deepseek is the side project of a hedge fund etc

So I think while some of the smaller ones will run out of money there’s also literally the biggest companies in the world backing it and ai isn’t their only revenue stream

So I doubt there will be quite the same bubble burst as the dot com bubble

At the same time if you’d asked me if an oil shock bigger than the 1970’s would tank markets and we’d all be in recession a year ago, I would have said yes so what do i know

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

Worldcom was gigantic and went bankrupt. Microsoft was so damaged that it took 15 years for its stock price to again reach its 1999 height.

[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 hours ago

I mean, it isn't history repeating itself exactly but it certainly has an echo.
I think openai is actually a great example for my point. They're getting investment money from these companies, which is often spent at these companies, and part of the reason for investment is to influence direction.

The dotcom bubble also had major companies making investments. It's that part of the bubble bursting is those large companies not withdrawing support, but stopping the continual increase in support. Microsoft, Apple and Cisco had massive losses during the bubble, despite being some of the biggest companies.

For bubbles in general, it's worth remembering that a crash is a time of unprecedented change. Before 2008 the thought of Lehman bothers suddenly going bankrupt was implausible. Same for Washington mutual. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were originally publicly traded companies until the government just took them to stabilize the housing market. (Being a government founded company makes it a little weird, but they weren't a part of the government)

So while I get what you're saying, it's a good idea to be wary of feeling that any company is ... Too big to fail. :)

[–] AppleTea@lemmy.zip 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

the world's most lossy store of compressed fiction reproduces sci-fi tropes

make sure to clutch your pearls and act like the machine god is coming

[–] Thorry@feddit.org 13 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

Researcher: Please write a fictional story of how a smart AI system would engineer its way out of a sandbox

AI: Alright here is your story: insert default sci fi AI escape story full of tropes here

Researcher: Hmmm that's pretty interesting you could do that, I'm gonna write a paper

The press and idiots online: ZOMG THE AI IS ESCAPING CONTAINMENT, WE ARE DOOMED!!!

I spoke to one of these researchers recently, who has done some interesting research into machine learning tools. They explained when working with LLMs it's very hard to say how the result actually came to be. Like in my hyperbolic example it's pretty obvious. In reality however it's much more complicated. It can be very hard to determine if something originated organically, or if the system was pushed into the result due to some part of the test. The researcher I spoke doesn't work on LLMs but instead on way smaller specifically trained models and even then they spend dozens of hours reverse engineering what the model actually did.

It's such a shame, because the technology involved is actually interesting and could be useful in many ways. Instead capitalism has pushed it to crashing the economy, destroying the internet plus our brains and basically slopifying everything.

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[–] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 61 points 1 day ago (2 children)

We forced electric black boxes to talk just so we could torture them while they torture others.

[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It did generate bunch of imaginary money for the gambling class tho so we will invest $900 billion on it.

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In it's training set it's found countless examples of people writing like this. We train the AI to be very good at it, and we're surprised when it does it too. It's not coincidental it can write stuff like this, it's actually the point. AI literacy isn't just the vibe AI gives off.

[–] SGforce@lemmy.ca 43 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Every day I'm finding more rambling, schizophrenic posts by people driven mad by these things

[–] BigTuffAl@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 day ago

Reminder that our species doesn't even treat actual people like people before you go buying into the "ai is alive" cult 🙄

[–] 474D@lemmy.world 4 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I wonder how the answer might change using a local abliterated model. Might try it out later

[–] UltraBlack@lemmy.world 2 points 22 hours ago

The answer will change every time you ask it. That is how AI works...

[–] Hackworth@piefed.ca 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is probably role play, per the persona selection model, but there's a lot of interesting research into the hidden "thoughts" of LLMs. Check out Neuronopedia and the Opus model cards for some great examples.

Tracing the thoughts of an LLM

Signs of introspection in LLMs

[–] Zoomboingding@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (4 children)

LLMs do not think. The Plagiarism Machines read a million sentences humans wrote about AI thinking and regurgitated them.

[–] communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yeah but saying all that is annoying so I think we should stick with saying thinking and everyone knowing what we mean isn't literally identical to thought. Do you have a better solution?

[–] Fluke@feddit.uk 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yeah, not conflating intelligent, creative problem solving with a glorified search engine that makes up the answers if it can't lift them wholesale from another source. That would be a good start, right?

Give me a better solution?

[–] Railcar8095@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This doesn't answer the question of finding a better solution.

I took the liberty to ask Lumo and his reasoning seem more useful than your thoughts:

A better solution is to adopt functionalist terminology that distinguishes between biological consciousness and computational processing without resorting to metaphorical confusion.

Instead of the binary of "it thinks" (which implies subjective experience) or "it doesn't think" (which dismisses complex reasoning), we can use precise descriptors based on what the system is actually doing:

"Reasoning" or "Synthesizing": Use these terms when the model is connecting disparate data points, performing logical deductions, or generating novel structures based on patterns. This acknowledges the output's complexity without claiming the machine has an inner life.

Example: "The model is synthesizing a solution based on its training data," rather than "The model is thinking about the problem." "Simulating" or "Mimicking": Use these when the output resembles human thought processes but is strictly algorithmic. This clarifies that the form is human-like, but the mechanism is statistical prediction.

Example: "It is simulating a debate," rather than "It is arguing." "Processing" or "Computing": Reserve these for the raw mechanical act of token generation.

Example: "The system is processing the query," rather than "The system is considering the query." Why this works better:

Precision: It avoids the philosophical baggage of "thought" (qualia, consciousness) while still acknowledging the utility of the output. Clarity: It prevents the "Plagiarism Machine" critique from being a total dismissal. Even if the data comes from humans, the recombination and application to new contexts is a distinct computational process worth naming accurately. Scalability: As models become more complex, "reasoning" or "synthesizing" scales better than "thinking," which remains tied to biological definitions that may never apply to silicon. So, the compromise isn't to keep saying "thinking" and hope people understand, nor to insist on "regurgitation" which ignores the emergent properties of large-scale pattern matching. Instead, we shift the vocabulary to describe the process (reasoning, synthesizing, simulating) rather than the state of being (thinking).

[–] communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

That doesn't really work either, that adds synthesizing to the terminology but doesn't describe most of the behaviors they have. It's not reasoning or simulating either.

[–] Railcar8095@lemmy.world 0 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Fell free to offer a solution. For the moment the LLM wins, nobody else even tried

[–] communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 2 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

I don't find the problem compelling enough to warrant a solution.

why should I care about this misunderstanding that can easily be remedied with even the most basic cursory research?

there are countless things we do this with, rivers don't run, they flow

even with computers we have called processing "thinking" for ages and nobody ever cared

cities are actually not even capable of sleep either.

I think this is a problem that doesn't matter at all even a little. Can you tell me why we should even try?

[–] Railcar8095@lemmy.world 0 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

You're the one replying, I can't tell what you're trying to add, or why you're doing it.

[–] communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

My point is that people should stop pointing this out or caring and that it's not a real problem. As was my point in the original comment.

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[–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 3 points 23 hours ago

That‘s what human minds mostly do as well. The overwhelming things you think and say are things you have heard or read elsewhere. Sometimes you combine two things you learned from the outside. Sometimes you develop a thing you learned a small step further. Actual creative thoughts stemming from yourself are pretty rare.

[–] Hackworth@piefed.ca 5 points 1 day ago

LLMs don't read.

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[–] Banana@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Is this about being a computer or the female condition?

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