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This is in a PR where Shougo, another long-time contributor, communicates entirely in walls of unparseable AI slop text: https://github.com/vim/vim/pull/19413

Thank you for the detailed feedback! I've addressed all the issues:

Thank you for the feedback! I agree that following the Vim 8+ naming convention makes sense.

Thank you for the feedback on naming!

Thanks for the suggestion! After thinking about this more, I believe repeat_set() / repeat_get() is the right choice:

Thank you for the feedback. A brief clarification.

https://hachyderm.io/@AndrewRadev/116176001750596207

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[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 126 points 1 month ago (11 children)

I spent literally all day yesterday working on this:

https://sciactive.com/human-contribution-policy/

I’ve started to add it to my projects. Eventually, it will be on all of my projects. I made it so that any project could adopt it, or modify it to their needs. It’s got a thorough and clear definition of what is banned, too, so it should help any argument over pull requests.

Hopefully more projects will outright ban AI generated code (and other AI generated material).

[–] PlutoniumAcid@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago (11 children)

I like this approach, but how can it be enforced? Would you have to read every line and listen to a gut feeling?

[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 62 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Basically the best you can do is continue as normal, and if someone submits something that says it is or obviously is AI, point to this policy and reject it. Just having the policy should be a decent deterrent.

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[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Same mindset as "You don't need a perfect lock to protect your house from thieves, you just need one better than what your neighbors have."

If a vibecoder sees this they will not bother with obfuscation and simply move onto the next project.

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[–] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

this is cool

you should make a post about this somewhere here on Lemmy

people should know about it

[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 month ago

Ok, yeah, I’ll make a post for it.

Feel free to share it anywhere. :)

[–] Magnum@infosec.pub 3 points 1 month ago
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[–] maegul@lemmy.ml 54 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Couldn’t help but notice the casual gendering of Claude to “he” as well.

Someone somewhere made the important observation not long ago that computer assistants tended to be gendered female when more like a secretary (Siri and Alexa) but now that AIs are “intelligent” and powerful … Claude now has to be a male.

Especially weird (and telling?) when it is objectively gender neutral as it’s not human.

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 47 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (8 children)

Couldn’t help but notice the casual gendering of Claude to “he” as well.

"Claude" is a male given name. If you think it's actually a problem, blame Anthropic for giving their LLM a gendered name. I've never gendered AI assistants, but I'm not going to begrudge people who do when it's in the name (or in the case of old Siri, the voice, which would later be the default rather than only option).

Women named "Claude" exist, but they're staggeringly outnumbered by men to a point where most people don't even know of women named "Claude" – let alone wouldn't immediately associate it as masculine.

[–] amino@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

it's extremely telling however the shift in marketing. i don't believe giving the coding plagiarism bot a male name is coincidental. most feminists would probably agree. we've known for decades that chatbots were given female names because they're trying to reenact some tradwife fetish and attract a male audience

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

it's extremely telling however the shift in marketing

And your hypothesis doesn't fall apart now why, exactly? AI assistants are more secretary-like than they've ever been. "Write me an email." "Proofread my work." Beyond that, people are using LLMs as substitutes for significant others.

And yet now, Microsoft migrated "Cortana" to "Copilot", Siri is more gender-neutral than ever, Alexa still exists off massive brand recognition, and other major AI services are called e.g. "ChatGPT", "Claude", "DeepSeek", and "Grok". Collectively, that's gender-neutral.

At most, the hypothesis used to be true but isn't anymore, because you can literally make an LLM act like a tradwife now if you're so ~~debased~~ inclined, yet the names are broadly neutral. The MIT Press has a good, lengthy article about the history of gender in speech synthesis, as an aside.

[–] maegul@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago

Not blaming anyone, this is social commentary.

But like the neutral “it” is right there.

In a world that’s both charged around gender and pronoun usage, and focused on the nature and value of LLMs … I think it’s weird that there isn’t more commonly pushback enforcing the non-human neutral for the simple reason that it’s an objective fact amidst a swampy pool of (mis-)information synthesis.

A little like the bechdel test, I feel like it’s the casualness and indifference around this gender bias (at least at the moment) that’s interesting and telling.

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[–] unknownuserunknownlocation@kbin.earth 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Let's not over interpret things here. Siri and Alexa are both mainly voice assistants, or at least started out as such. Studies have been conducted that show people trust female voices more than male voices. So the choice of female voices was obvious, and having female names is nothing surprising.

Also, Siri, Alexa and Cortana were seen as "intelligent" at the time, as well (or were supposed to be seen, depending on who you ask).

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[–] Retail4068@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Or maybe, just maybe, it has a guys name.

Good Lord y'all made up since crazy shit to whine about.

[–] GrindingGears@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 month ago

Let's not lose focus more on the more immediate concern here, that this person is using a human pronoun to describe a computer.

[–] xep@discuss.online 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Of all the problems with these things we're taking issue with the naming?

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[–] hayvan@piefed.world 45 points 1 month ago (4 children)

The devs do have my sympathy, they dedicate their time and energy for these projects and start burning out.
The solution obviously shouldn't be drowning it on slop. They should be just slowing down. Vim has been an excellent and functional tool for many years now, it doesn't need more speed.
There are better ways to use LLMs as a productivity tool.

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 38 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I see this excuse of burn out every time it comes to LLM use, but i honestly do not buy it. You cant tell me every other dev out there just burnt out at the same time. If you use LLMs like this you simply dont care about the project anymore and should move on with your life. Its better for everyone if it gets abandoned by the original dev and forked by ones that care. Sometimes you just gotta let go.

[–] hayvan@piefed.world 11 points 1 month ago

Agreed. They need to take a break at least.

[–] cloudskater@piefed.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 month ago

There aren't better ways, not in their current forms.

[–] Crackhappy@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Emacs. C?min ;)

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[–] fdnomad@programming.dev 36 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It's such a monumental waste of LLMs to include these slop phrases.

Employee 1 enters a prompt to send a slop mail that is so garbage it is unbearable to read using a brain.

So employee 2 either summarizes the slop mail using an LLM too or skips obtaining the information entirely and just goes straight to answering by prompting the next slop mail.

I wonder if that's by design - to make interacting with slop so painful that human-to-human communication will not happen without a LLM in between anymore.

[–] Mothra@mander.xyz 12 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I originally meant to leave a much shorter comment; apologies.

I can't code to save my life. However I find your observation interesting. The way I see it, AI, no matter where, is eroding human to human interactions. It becomes the middleman for everything.

It's really obvious with personal research. A couple years ago if you wanted to start say, growing tomatoes in your backyard, you would have searched people's comments on a variety of media platforms, would have read a few books or blogs. You would have asked questions to a bunch of people with some experience, left a like or upvote on people posting photos of their tomatoes, you would have used your own judgement to discern what consisted good quality advice and what not.

It would have taken you days. But all that interaction is very rewarding especially for those authoring comments, blogs, books, and photos of their experiences. Because nobody makes something just to be ignored.

Now LLM does all that process for you. In a matter of seconds. And giving no feedback or interaction to anyone whose information was used. It's depressing, but I'm intrigued to see how it plays out.

[–] fdnomad@programming.dev 7 points 1 month ago

I agree. Specifically for your example I think the transformation has been going on for a while with the aggressive monitization of internet content / the ad industry and the general downfall of google search. LLMs could to be the final nail in the coffin for nieche expertise on the broader internet.

I too am curious to see how AI companies will try to overcome the lack of human generated content to train their models on.

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[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 1 month ago

Reverse compression: making transmission larger (while still being lossy).

[–] grandma@sh.itjust.works 30 points 1 month ago

AI psychosis

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 27 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Shougo is Japanese. I’m guessing he communicates like that because he uses translation rather than trying to communicate in broken English.

[–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago

TBF if the reviewer just quoted Claude at me, I would reply with Claude or ChatGPT.

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[–] hexagonwin@lemmy.today 23 points 1 month ago (7 children)

wtf. i really like vim. is everyone really using neovim instead and there's no good dev maintaining vim now?

[–] lemonhead2@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

i ❤️vim. used it for some 15 years.

switched to neovim cause of firenvim which allowed me to use neovim in text areas in firefox

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[–] Brummbaer@pawb.social 18 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I wonder what Bram's stance would have been on AI.

Anyway, looks like it's time to learn emacs.

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[–] peanuts4life@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 1 month ago

I would like to mirror another commentor and mention that Shougo is Japanese and probably issuing Claude to communicate.

[–] LiveLM@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 month ago

Truly nothing is sacred lmaoooooo

[–] AVengefulAxolotl@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Having an AI understand your codebase, and potentially answering an issue, which might not be an issue is great I think.

The problem I see here is that you have no idea that a bot is answering. Why isnt there a 'shougo-bot' / 'vim-helper-bot' / whatever named bot user for it?

"Talking" to an AI should always be disclosed, everyone feels betrayed whenever they find out that a clanker is on the other side of the channel.

[–] riccardo@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I don't think those comments are generated and posted automatically by a bot plugged to their github repo. I think they are generated by the author using an LLM and copy-pasted there - or if the account is plugged to some LLM, they are at least manually reviewed. The answer to the replied-to comment are posted from 10 minutes to some hours later. I don't think they lost their mind to the point of giving unvetted access to their reputable account to an AI that simply posts for them. That said, they could al least strip the obvious/uneasy parts that give very LLM vibes, specifically those quoted in the op

[–] mrmaplebar@fedia.io 9 points 1 month ago

I'm probably more surprised than I should be that so many programmers are so pathetically lonely and delusional.

[–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

TBH I don't really mind when LLMs are used for code reviews. My main issue[^1] with coding assistants is that the people using them don't verify the code they emit thoroughly (that would be too much work. Remember - reading code is harder then writing it) and thus they often push junk into the codebase and blame the AI for the bad quality when it crashes. But with code reviews there is no such risk, because you still have to read and understand the comments and decide on your own how to resolve them.

[^1]: Quality issue - I'm not talking about the ethical issues here.

Some caveats;

  • It must be disclosed that the comment was generated by AI. Disagreeing with a human reviewer (who's usually maintainer) and disagreeing with an LLM are very different beasts.
  • If the submitter disagrees with an AI comment, and the reviewer agrees with the model's initial criticism - the reviewer[^2] need to defend it themselves, not delegate the argument back to the LLM.

[^2]: Regular Open Source etiquette applies, of course. The reviewer is always allowed to reject the PR and ask the submitted to kindly fuck off.

[–] HuntressHimbo@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Well that's a first. First time I've ever recognized a github name I've pulled from before in a drama article. Used Dein in my vim config a while back. RIP

Edit: rearranged added rip

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