Truly nothing is sacred lmaoooooo
Fuck AI
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A place for all those who loathe AI to discuss things, post articles, and ridicule the AI hype. Proud supporter of working people. And proud booer of SXSW 2024.
AI, in this case, refers to LLMs, GPT technology, and anything listed as "AI" meant to increase market valuations.
AI psychosis
Shougo is Japanese. I’m guessing he communicates like that because he uses translation rather than trying to communicate in broken English.
TBF if the reviewer just quoted Claude at me, I would reply with Claude or ChatGPT.
I spent literally all day yesterday working on this:
https://sciactive.com/human-contribution-policy/
I’ve started to add it to my projects. Eventually, it will be on all of my projects. I made it so that any project could adopt it, or modify it to their needs. It’s got a thorough and clear definition of what is banned, too, so it should help any argument over pull requests.
Hopefully more projects will outright ban AI generated code (and other AI generated material).
That's great, thank you!
Added to my project's repo.
this is cool
you should make a post about this somewhere here on Lemmy
people should know about it
Ok, yeah, I’ll make a post for it.
Feel free to share it anywhere. :)
Thank you
I like this approach, but how can it be enforced? Would you have to read every line and listen to a gut feeling?
Same mindset as "You don't need a perfect lock to protect your house from thieves, you just need one better than what your neighbors have."
If a vibecoder sees this they will not bother with obfuscation and simply move onto the next project.
Basically the best you can do is continue as normal, and if someone submits something that says it is or obviously is AI, point to this policy and reject it. Just having the policy should be a decent deterrent.
“AI generated” means that the subject material is in whole, or in meaningful part, the output of a generative AI model or models, such as a Large Language Model. This does not include code that is the result of non-generative tools, such as standard compilers, linters, or basic IDE auto-completions. This does, however, include code that is the result of code block generators and automatic refactoring tools that make use of generative AI models.
As "artificial intelligence" is not that well defined, you could clarify what the policy defines "AI" as by specifying that "AI" involves machine learning.
“Generative AI model” is a pretty well defined term, so this prohibits all of those things like ChatGPT, Gemini, Claude Code, Stable Diffusion, Midjourney, etc.
Machine learning is a much more broad category, so banning all outputs of machine learning may have unintended consequences.
I would like to mirror another commentor and mention that Shougo is Japanese and probably issuing Claude to communicate.
The devs do have my sympathy, they dedicate their time and energy for these projects and start burning out.
The solution obviously shouldn't be drowning it on slop. They should be just slowing down. Vim has been an excellent and functional tool for many years now, it doesn't need more speed.
There are better ways to use LLMs as a productivity tool.
I see this excuse of burn out every time it comes to LLM use, but i honestly do not buy it. You cant tell me every other dev out there just burnt out at the same time. If you use LLMs like this you simply dont care about the project anymore and should move on with your life. Its better for everyone if it gets abandoned by the original dev and forked by ones that care. Sometimes you just gotta let go.
Agreed. They need to take a break at least.
There aren't better ways, not in their current forms.
Couldn’t help but notice the casual gendering of Claude to “he” as well.
Someone somewhere made the important observation not long ago that computer assistants tended to be gendered female when more like a secretary (Siri and Alexa) but now that AIs are “intelligent” and powerful … Claude now has to be a male.
Especially weird (and telling?) when it is objectively gender neutral as it’s not human.
Couldn’t help but notice the casual gendering of Claude to “he” as well.
"Claude" is a male given name. If you think it's actually a problem, blame Anthropic for giving their LLM a gendered name. I've never gendered AI assistants, but I'm not going to begrudge people who do when it's in the name (or in the case of old Siri, the voice, which would later be the default rather than only option).
Women named "Claude" exist, but they're staggeringly outnumbered by men to a point where most people don't even know of women named "Claude" – let alone wouldn't immediately associate it as masculine.
it's extremely telling however the shift in marketing. i don't believe giving the coding plagiarism bot a male name is coincidental. most feminists would probably agree. we've known for decades that chatbots were given female names because they're trying to reenact some tradwife fetish and attract a male audience
Let's not lose focus more on the more immediate concern here, that this person is using a human pronoun to describe a computer.
Let's not over interpret things here. Siri and Alexa are both mainly voice assistants, or at least started out as such. Studies have been conducted that show people trust female voices more than male voices. So the choice of female voices was obvious, and having female names is nothing surprising.
Also, Siri, Alexa and Cortana were seen as "intelligent" at the time, as well (or were supposed to be seen, depending on who you ask).
Or maybe, just maybe, it has a guys name.
Good Lord y'all made up since crazy shit to whine about.
wtf. i really like vim. is everyone really using neovim instead and there's no good dev maintaining vim now?
Just use VScode, definitely no slop in there. Microslop would never
It's such a monumental waste of LLMs to include these slop phrases.
Employee 1 enters a prompt to send a slop mail that is so garbage it is unbearable to read using a brain.
So employee 2 either summarizes the slop mail using an LLM too or skips obtaining the information entirely and just goes straight to answering by prompting the next slop mail.
I wonder if that's by design - to make interacting with slop so painful that human-to-human communication will not happen without a LLM in between anymore.
Reverse compression: making transmission larger (while still being lossy).
I originally meant to leave a much shorter comment; apologies.
I can't code to save my life. However I find your observation interesting. The way I see it, AI, no matter where, is eroding human to human interactions. It becomes the middleman for everything.
It's really obvious with personal research. A couple years ago if you wanted to start say, growing tomatoes in your backyard, you would have searched people's comments on a variety of media platforms, would have read a few books or blogs. You would have asked questions to a bunch of people with some experience, left a like or upvote on people posting photos of their tomatoes, you would have used your own judgement to discern what consisted good quality advice and what not.
It would have taken you days. But all that interaction is very rewarding especially for those authoring comments, blogs, books, and photos of their experiences. Because nobody makes something just to be ignored.
Now LLM does all that process for you. In a matter of seconds. And giving no feedback or interaction to anyone whose information was used. It's depressing, but I'm intrigued to see how it plays out.
I agree. Specifically for your example I think the transformation has been going on for a while with the aggressive monitization of internet content / the ad industry and the general downfall of google search. LLMs could to be the final nail in the coffin for nieche expertise on the broader internet.
I too am curious to see how AI companies will try to overcome the lack of human generated content to train their models on.
IMHO, the logo shouldn't have the anti-AI symbol. I like the quill. Maybe a more positive DNA symbol.
I wonder what Bram's stance would have been on AI.
Anyway, looks like it's time to learn emacs.
Thanks for the replies - going to check that out when I have time.
If you have a few days and feel like staying inside for a bit, check out the system crafters Emacs from scratch videos on yt (perhaps also elsewhere). They are awesome and get you started better than just downloading spacemacs or so, but take some time.
Having an AI understand your codebase, and potentially answering an issue, which might not be an issue is great I think.
The problem I see here is that you have no idea that a bot is answering. Why isnt there a 'shougo-bot' / 'vim-helper-bot' / whatever named bot user for it?
"Talking" to an AI should always be disclosed, everyone feels betrayed whenever they find out that a clanker is on the other side of the channel.
I'm probably more surprised than I should be that so many programmers are so pathetically lonely and delusional.