As an American I appreciate how they included both metric (Joules) and imperial (hours running a microwave) measurements
Fuck AI
"We did it, Patrick! We made a technological breakthrough!"
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AI, in this case, refers to LLMs, GPT technology, and anything listed as "AI" meant to increase market valuations.
I only know how long bald eagles burn for.
How do I convert microwave hours to bald eagle burn time (in number of football games including all dead ball times and the halftime shows)?
(in number of football games including all dead ball times and the halftime shows)
Wait are we talking mid-day NFL, primetime (SNF/MNF/TNF/Playoffs), or Superbowl? Or are you talking CFB, and if so is it one of the big conference games or is it only showing on ESPN+?
Yes
(And all owls are superb)
....taking into account up to 5 testicles at 60mph, but take away 3 standard rats (not McDonald's rats) to the power of 3 number 2 pencils HD if using mechanical pencils. That comes out to 37burnt eagles and 3 frozen yogurts.
Oh I forgot to divide by the length of a Phillips screw driver! That's right!
Truly every time period of human civilization had something in it that would make future generations shake their heads in disbelief.
"How could they use gigawatthours for crypto farms and useless AI applications while fully aware of a climate crisis caused by fossil fuels?", a student might ask his history teacher some day. "Because they were dumb as fuck.", the teacher might answer.
I have a new Retirement plan.
- Buy a gun
- Shoot it at datacenters.
- Eat some chips or something

A truck and container with microwave beam like this.
https://www.rtx.com/raytheon/what-we-do/integrated-air-and-missile-defense/phaser-high-power-microwave
I don't think energy consumption matters to most people. I still can't believe the whole planet is "on board" with using a metal box that weighs around a ton, or much more, fill it with fossil fuel, and burn it to move that heavy box and generally a single person everywhere they go. Then they complain about the price of the fuel that is slowly choking the environment they need to drink, eat and live. But we can't say anything bad against cars. Just buy an electric car because it fixes all the problems if you ignore wasted energy, microplastic pollution, noise pollution, the impact of parking, the millions of dead humans every year, and the billion animals considered roadkill every year. There is no more gas problem!
So, I wish this would make some people realize how power hungry and destructive AI can be, but I'm pretty sure most don't give a fuck because "it can be useful", just like cars. So far I've read people defending it saying power usage and efficiency will improve with time. Or that AI will find a tech solution to the AI problem.
It will do the same as the car industry. People will begin to use it, find it some use despite its flaws, and defend it tooth and nails while it's bringing us closer to environmental doom. You will consoom.
It's kind of hard for me to criticize cars when without one I wouldn't have a job, food, clothes, or really anything of the sort. Absolutely zero thought put into public transportation where I live, and the only bike lanes are about an hour bike ride away, with my job being the same distance. I'm just so tired boss.
People will start caring when the energy costs start to spike up. And with our little energy crisis looming; it is a good time to tell them how much of their electricity bill is subsidizing idiots like Sam Altman and Dario Amodei.
They definitely need to make measures like this widely available.
Who the hell measures energy in joules?
That's a little under 1kWh. Or playing your gaming PC for 3 hours.
I'd much prefer to pay an artist to be using their PC for three hours than a corporation
1kWh 3hrs playtime. Not on gaming PC of today. Only my 32" 240Hz display itself consumes more than that.
That is a choice. My desktop setup, including speakers and monitor, uses below 140 W at full load in games, for 4060 levels of performance. Yes, your system is likely faster but I can play all modern games with it, at a level that is good enough for me. And I don't sit in a sauna while gaming as a consequence. In other words, for that 5 sec AI video I can play 7 hours on my system and that does not even consider the tons of energy spent on training the model.
Also those 3 hours count as "practicing."
Imagine if we counted "training" in this energy cost.
Who the hell measures energy in joules?
i do
Or ~100 hours of my laptop doing simple tasks.
Who the hell measures energy in Wh ? I always convert back to Joules, Watt Hours don't make any sense.
3 hours running completely flat out that is, which does happen with some games.
Even in those cases the gaming PC is producing roughly 2160x the amount of 'content' per unit of power. Though I guess some (not me) might argue that 5 seconds worth of AI generated cats fighting politicians have more 'worth' than some 5 second spans of gameplay.
I know right, it's electron volts or nothing, got to get back to basics
coulomb volts is better for practical uses though
Techbro bots: "this is the same energy wasted in: [shit that's actually fun or useful] As if AI infrastructure isn't built ON TOP of existing infrastructure and actively leeching off it or lobbying to de-regulate energy to make it even mor wasteful.
3.4 megajoules = 944 watt hours
Microwaves are typically rated at 1200-1500 watts, sometimes more. Do they actually use that much? I'm not sure, stuff typically uses less than the rated power on the label.
Ive seen more 700-1200 watt microwaves.
That's like 2-4 miles in my electric car, depending on outdoor temperature.
typically rated at 1200-1500 watts, sometimes more. Do they actually use that much? I
i'd say that if it says 1500 watts microwave, then that means that 1500 watts are delivered to your food. the microwave might consume more than that to account for losses.
3.4 giga joules! Great Scott!
I can’t wait until the terror 2.0 when we destroy it
Fuck this just remindede me I left my microwave on.
Depends on the model - If you're using Wan 2.x on your RTX 5090 it's like 600W for 10 minutes so roughly 600x600=360kj