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*We attacked them because they were going to have nukes and then use them on us, it's self-defense." - There is a lack of evidence for this claim btw.

That is like as if you invade someone's home, shoot and kill them and your defense in court for it is, "Your honour, I had to do it because I had suspicions they were going to adopt a guard dog and then use that guard dog to attack me while I was walking down the street!"*

This reminds me of when Varg Vikernes was convicted of killing Euronymous. He literally turned up at Euronymous' flat, chased him with a knife and stabbed him 23 times. His defence was "Someone told me he was going to kidnap me, and torture me to death, so it was self defence!"

Don't forget the half-assed "Iran killed 80 million protestors and suddenly we care deeply about people protesting the government...in a country where we kill and maim protestors"

Marco Rubio literally explained why the US attacked Iran. He said that Israel was gonna attack Iran, and Iran was gonna retaliate against Israel and US military bases. So the US had to attack Iran first. Because Israel was gonna attack them. And it was gonna make Iran mad. So the US had to attack it…. And ……. Yeah

How anyone can continue to view America and Israel on the right side of history baffles me.

by being white supremacist

Kidnapping maduro made the US-Israel coalition think they are invincible and can just do whatever.

They got high on "OPERATION EPIC FURRY" .

They used to say the enemy has WMDs, now they just say the enemy might get WMDs someday

nah, they have a very well oiled justification: iran is evil. that's it. that's ultimately what it all boils down to.

The shorthand I always use is that they attacked Iran because they're bored. I haven't tried it because I've really disengaged from arguing. But I think, if someone engages with the idea and tries to explain a justification, you could get a lot of frustration and onlooker approval by doubling down on "it's only happening now because Epstein died and they have nothing to do."

Their current line seems to be that "Iran has been at war with us for 47 years" and also that somehow they were going to reach a critical mass of missiles and become too powerful (Rubio said this, I think)

From last year: https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/the-war-hawks-arent-even-trying-to-persuade-us-anymore

The United States is at war with Iran. On Saturday night, President Donald Trump announced that U.S. warplanes had struck three nuclear sites in Iran and suggested more strikes might be ahead. The next day, he began calling for “regime change.” Despite Trump’s attempts to posture as a peacemaker, it was an escalation many of us knew was coming. Neoconservatives have been chasing the holy grail of war with Iran for decades, and at long last they got Trump to reach out his sweaty orange mitts and grab it for them. The most unsettling part is that it felt as if this outcome was always inevitable.

In recent weeks, there have been many comparisons made between the lead-up to this war and George W. Bush’s war in Iraq. In many ways, that comparison is apt. Iran is another oil-rich Middle Eastern country we’ve accused of building weapons of mass destruction based on flimsy or nonexistent evidence. And yet there is one key difference. In order to carry out the Iraq War—which ended up being the worst crime of the 21st century, leaving the region in tatters and more than half a million dead—the Bush administration undertook a mammoth effort to manufacture consent from the public. Despite tens of millions still marching in protest, it worked. At the dawn of Operation Iraqi Freedom, 72 percent of Americans supported the invasion, according to a Gallup poll. Trump’s war, on the other hand, is deeply unpopular, but he has made far less of an effort to persuade skeptics. Without strong anti-war institutions to oppose him, he may believe he doesn’t need to.

Iran was promised to Israel 3,000 years ago

They keep repeating shit about being at war with them for 47 years or whatever. They're so halfassing it.

Blatant, mask-off imperialism.

Honestly I don't even know what the imperialist reason for this war is.