Thanks Mr. New Republic writer for telling the people that have plainly said it for years that they can now plainly say it. I’m sure they’ll waste no time getting around to plainly saying it some more.
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Exactly. The media is finally getting around to warning us about what we've been screaming about for years. Welcome to the party, dipshits.
"planning"
I'd say it's already done. No one with any power has the balls to remove him.
No one with any power has the balls to remove him.
Those with the power to remove him are benefitting financially and have no incentive to remove him.
Guess we're just going to need to remove him ourselves. Going out fighting is better than whatever future we're going to have at this point, tbh
It's the Austin Powers steamroller joke. For some reasons, nothing can be done even though there is plenty of time.
Plenty of time? You mean 3 like elections and attempted coup later? You're pretty hard on americans, how could they have seen this coming?
If that's NOT another reason to study and read socialist theory, then I don't know what is. Seriously! https://redsails.org/
He can “say”, “declare” and “decree” things all he wants, but for that to do anything requires that people up and down the system go along with it. Sure people with in the executive branch might even be legally obligated to do certain things if he tells them to, with in certain limits.
But most of the voting infrastructure is outside the federal executive, so it would require that a huge amount of local officials and administrators go along with that, some might be ideologically inclined to do so, but are there actually enough to overcome a groundswell of dissent?
“Oh he’ll just use ICE to bully them in to doing it” there literally are not enough ice agents for that to be even remotely practical. “Well they’ll just hire and deputize more” They’re trying to but they can’t get enough people in the door, and a lot of the people they have aren’t getting payed. Are they really gonna stick their necks out to help him break the law when he’s not even paying them?
This is not a masterful plan from an evil genius. This is a in denial old naracasist in way over his head surrounded by yes men who are saying what he want’s to hear so they can keep their positions and continue stealing everything that isn’t nailed down. It’s not that he doesn’t want to steal the election, it’s that he lacks the capacity to do so, and the people he’s surrounded him self with are not competent enough to build that capacity.
nobody has stopped him yet
What a nonsensical statement. No one needs to stop him, they just need to not collaborate. Not nearly enough people are collaborating with him for anything he’s suggesting to be practical.
Well, I guess we will see how far he will go and by he I mean THEM and by them I mean the republicans.
There are no Republicans any more. That was just the larval stage before they morphed into their final form - MAGA.
The Republican Party is as dead as the Whigs, and should only be referred to in a historical or scholarly context.
They're all MAGA now.
I feel like Newt Gingrich was the first MAGA.
IN Politics yes, for sure, but I'd say the first one was Rush Limbaugh. His radio show became the gathering place for Conservatives, and was the recruitment and indoctrination center for millions of new Conservatives.
Those new Limbaugh conservatives not only voted in Newt Gingrich, but a LOT of other like minded radical Republicans for him to use as a club to beat America with.
But, yeah, that's where it all started. Gingrich and Limbaugh were the Proto-MAGAs.
I think "maga"/Nat-Cs are just Republicans unmasked, that's all. The party has always been full of these types (basically RWAs - Right Wing Authoritarians as described by Altemeyer). You had the John Birch Society going way, way back.
Democracy in Chains traces some of the threads related to the university level spread of this stuff. There are people that have discussed the Chicago School of Economics. I've not read it yet, but Hofstadter's The Paranoid Style in American Politics gets mentioned a lot. I'm sure there are some other good docs/books that might cover this long-running tradition, and I'd love to hear about them.
Can anyone tell me what's the big deal with voter ID? It's a standard in EU, Noone complains about it there.
A current example is states invalidating all Trans people's IDs during a primary election. That's happening right now.
Also - getting an ID is expensive and time consuming in the US. The cliche of spending 4 hours in line at the DMV to get a license even though you made an appointment ahead of time isn't an exaggeration, and applies to getting an ID as well. The reality is most people won't spend the time and money to do it just so they can vote every 2 or 4 years - especially people who can't afford to take a day off work and travel to do it.
But people will do it so they can drive their car every day - so people with IDs are more likely to have more money.
And for people who have driver's licenses that fall on hard times it's also a problem, because they stop paying for insurance (invalidates driver's license), lose their car (keeps them from paying for insurance or renewing license), or even lose their home (address change invalidates license). These are not people who can take a day to go pay to vote. And that's exactly what they'd be doing, because the new ID card they'd be buying would strictly be for voting. Aside from the cost of the ID, when I updated my DL in June I had to travel 80 miles round trip, and the process took about 7 hours - and I had a car to speed things up.
So it's effectively pay-to-vote system that only applies to poor people. People with money can vote for free through "motor voter" registration by checking a box when getting or renewing their driver's license.
In the USA the issuing of IDs will be made deliberately difficult enough to discourage cartain demographics in a way that favours Republicans. For example, it may carry a fee so poor people are discouraged, it may require your birth name and gender so trans people are discouraged, it will require birth certificates and marriage certificates so immigrants and women are discouraged. The whole thing will be used to erode the numbers of non-white-male voters and this disproportionately boost the right.
Kansas Republicans just invalidated the driving licenses of trans people overnight with no warning. We can expect the same kind of political shenanigans with Real ID.
In the US, there is no free option for public ID. Voting is a right. You are required to prove identity at the time of registration, which can be done using your birth certificate.
Essentially, the push for photo ID is a way to disenfranchise poor people, women and trans people, and other groups who may for whatever reason not have easy access to an “acceptable” ID.
Historically our courts have found that creating a financial barrier to voting is a violation of the constitution. The current Supreme Court, staffed entirely by far-right activists rather than serious jurists, is far less likely to rule that way, so anti-democracy folks are pushing to establish a new precedent before the court can be reformed.
The idea of not having a government issued photo ID in the US is inane to me. I didn't know it wasn't a basic thing as a us citizen.
One problem is that they decided to change the ID situation so that everyone has to have a "Real ID," in which your name has to match what's on your birth certificate, or else have supporting documents like marriage certificates or divorce papers. So it's easy for men, who never change their names, but can be problematic for women who can change their names multiple times, depending on marriages and divorces.
My wife and I were married in the Caribbean over 30 years ago. We have no idea what happened to our marriage certificate, we haven't found it in decades, it must have gone missing during a move or something. We've requested a copy several times over the last decade. It only costs about $10, and we've spent over $100 trying to get a copy. They keep the money, and send nothing. Over and over. My wife STILL doesn't have a valid Real ID because of it. We live in a state that doesn't care what Trump wants, so it isn't an issue for voting, but she hasn't tried flying yet.
So IDs aren't nearly as easy for many women, and the female vote is a problem for MAGA. Some have even suggested that the vote be removed from women, because that's how MAGA thinks: If the people don't like what were doing, we don't change what we're doing, we just suppress the rights of anyone whose complaining.
You could do a vow renewal at your local courthouse and get a "new" marriage license from them.
Edit: but yeah, stupid additional barriers...
Yeah, we've thought of that, and we may have to. I wonder what that does to all the things we've done together in the last 30+ years. If we get married now, does that mean that we weren't married before, making all our legal paperwork for mortgages, loans, credit card, etc. fraudulent?
It sounds dumb, but if the government decides to target someone, and they uncover this "marriage fraud scheme," they could use it to really clobber someone, if they wanted to. We've seen where MAGA loves to exploit loopholes like this.
In my experience in an EU country, sufficient ID was also provided freely by the government (eg a social security card).
This is not something in the US that is free. ID must also be a photo ID. So let's say you have a job where you work 7 days a week and take the bus because you don't have a driver's license. To get sufficient ID you must then: take unpaid time off of work, get to an office that issues ID, pay like $20 for such an ID... All to have the opportunity to exercise the right to vote.
This is both a tax and an unreasonable burden, effectively disenfranchising millions of poor people.
This is solvable though, if the government issues free IDs and sets something up to facilitate people getting their photos taken. However that would never be executed effectively, nor would people support paying the costs.
You omitted that in the US, employment is largely "at will", which means even taking a few hours off work, even asking for that, can result in that person being fired, and many won't take that risk.
This is solvable though
They don't want to solve it... the unreasonable burden and disenfranchisement are the point.
People in the English-speaking countries generally don't have government issued ID beyond a driver's license. That's also true for the UK. Historically, ID cards are connected to military conscription. The UK could rely on the Navy for defense and did not maintain vast land armies like the continental nations. Political initiatives to introduce ID cards are usually rejected by voters as totalitarian overreach.
The former slave states in the US have a history of using procedural rules to exclude blacks from voting. After the end of slavery, there was formally equality before the law. So, laws were created to maintain the status quo that were non-discriminatory on their face. EG literacy tests. This not only targeted blacks who were denied an education. Administering such tests was fully in the hands of local elites. They could be made arbitrarily hard to black people, while politically reliable white illiterates could be excused.
In the EU everyone is likely to have an official ID card, so it's a non-issue.
In the US this is not the case, and the people who do have an ID or who are likely to know what to do to get an ID probably skew a certain way. So requiring voter ID is a way of voter suppression to discourage disenfranchised groups from voting.
I mean, before he become president the first time he literally said that he would only accept the results if he wins.
I too hate how obvious and predictable it all was but people finally getting it is surprisingly also very annoying.
He also said that if he was elected we would never have to vote again…
Back in 2024, Kamala Harris and the Democrats struggled to convince voters that a second Donald Trump term would constitute a serious threat to democracy. We can debate the effectiveness of her, and their, rhetoric. But on a certain level, it was a hard argument to make because it was hypothetical.
On what planet was it hypothetical.
Honestly. It's like everyone's still using fucking Windows. Fuck levels critical.
Was the 2020 coup attempt too tough to figure out?