politics

A current example is states invalidating all Trans people's IDs during a primary election. That's happening right now.

Also - getting an ID is expensive and time consuming in the US. The cliche of spending 4 hours in line at the DMV to get a license even though you made an appointment ahead of time isn't an exaggeration, and applies to getting an ID as well. The reality is most people won't spend the time and money to do it just so they can vote every 2 or 4 years - especially people who can't afford to take a day off work and travel to do it.

But people will do it so they can drive their car every day - so people with IDs are more likely to have more money.

And for people who have driver's licenses that fall on hard times it's also a problem, because they stop paying for insurance (invalidates driver's license), lose their car (keeps them from paying for insurance or renewing license), or even lose their home (address change invalidates license). These are not people who can take a day to go pay to vote. And that's exactly what they'd be doing, because the new ID card they'd be buying would strictly be for voting. Aside from the cost of the ID, when I updated my DL in June I had to travel 80 miles round trip, and the process took about 7 hours - and I had a car to speed things up.

So it's effectively pay-to-vote system that only applies to poor people. People with money can vote for free through "motor voter" registration by checking a box when getting or renewing their driver's license.

In the USA the issuing of IDs will be made deliberately difficult enough to discourage cartain demographics in a way that favours Republicans. For example, it may carry a fee so poor people are discouraged, it may require your birth name and gender so trans people are discouraged, it will require birth certificates and marriage certificates so immigrants and women are discouraged. The whole thing will be used to erode the numbers of non-white-male voters and this disproportionately boost the right.

Kansas Republicans just invalidated the driving licenses of trans people overnight with no warning. We can expect the same kind of political shenanigans with Real ID.

In my experience in an EU country, sufficient ID was also provided freely by the government (eg a social security card).

This is not something in the US that is free. ID must also be a photo ID. So let's say you have a job where you work 7 days a week and take the bus because you don't have a driver's license. To get sufficient ID you must then: take unpaid time off of work, get to an office that issues ID, pay like $20 for such an ID... All to have the opportunity to exercise the right to vote.

This is both a tax and an unreasonable burden, effectively disenfranchising millions of poor people.

This is solvable though, if the government issues free IDs and sets something up to facilitate people getting their photos taken. However that would never be executed effectively, nor would people support paying the costs.

In the US, there is no free option for public ID. Voting is a right. You are required to prove identity at the time of registration, which can be done using your birth certificate.

Essentially, the push for photo ID is a way to disenfranchise poor people, women and trans people, and other groups who may for whatever reason not have easy access to an “acceptable” ID.

Historically our courts have found that creating a financial barrier to voting is a violation of the constitution. The current Supreme Court, staffed entirely by far-right activists rather than serious jurists, is far less likely to rule that way, so anti-democracy folks are pushing to establish a new precedent before the court can be reformed.

One problem is that they decided to change the ID situation so that everyone has to have a "Real ID," in which your name has to match what's on your birth certificate, or else have supporting documents like marriage certificates or divorce papers. So it's easy for men, who never change their names, but can be problematic for women who can change their names multiple times, depending on marriages and divorces.

My wife and I were married in the Caribbean over 30 years ago. We have no idea what happened to our marriage certificate, we haven't found it in decades, it must have gone missing during a move or something. We've requested a copy several times over the last decade. It only costs about $10, and we've spent over $100 trying to get a copy. They keep the money, and send nothing. Over and over. My wife STILL doesn't have a valid Real ID because of it. We live in a state that doesn't care what Trump wants, so it isn't an issue for voting, but she hasn't tried flying yet.

So IDs aren't nearly as easy for many women, and the female vote is a problem for MAGA. Some have even suggested that the vote be removed from women, because that's how MAGA thinks: If the people don't like what were doing, we don't change what we're doing, we just suppress the rights of anyone whose complaining.

In the EU everyone is likely to have an official ID card, so it's a non-issue.

In the US this is not the case, and the people who do have an ID or who are likely to know what to do to get an ID probably skew a certain way. So requiring voter ID is a way of voter suppression to discourage disenfranchised groups from voting.

People in the English-speaking countries generally don't have government issued ID beyond a driver's license. That's also true for the UK. Historically, ID cards are connected to military conscription. The UK could rely on the Navy for defense and did not maintain vast land armies like the continental nations. Political initiatives to introduce ID cards are usually rejected by voters as totalitarian overreach.

The former slave states in the US have a history of using procedural rules to exclude blacks from voting. After the end of slavery, there was formally equality before the law. So, laws were created to maintain the status quo that were non-discriminatory on their face. EG literacy tests. This not only targeted blacks who were denied an education. Administering such tests was fully in the hands of local elites. They could be made arbitrarily hard to black people, while politically reliable white illiterates could be excused.

We have it in Canada too, and it's generally not a big deal... But that's likely because both our governments are doing it in good faith to ensure who shows up is the actual person on that voter card

The problem with the US is that they do not operate in good faith and use voter id laws to target people they do not want to vote, it's the same bullshit as putting a single polling station in minority districts with 10+ hr wait times (and criminal penalties of you give someone standing in line a bottle of water) and plenty of polling stations throughout the suburbs where you can be in and out in under 5 minutes.

It's not really about the id, it's about "fuck you"