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This should be the standard in greater LA.

Santa Monica can do it. Why can't Los Angeles?

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[–] lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com 2 points 9 hours ago

This is positive, so it's just a matter of time until idiots want to get rid of it.

[–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 3 points 18 hours ago

Car brains see that and complaint about removing parking spaces.

[–] P00ptart@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

THAT'S how you do a bike lane!

[–] birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The only criticism I have is that the bicycle path is too narrow to let another person pass. You'd ideally want a bicycle path of at least 2.5 m wide, not just 1 m.

3.5 m would be even better, then you can have a couple bike next to each other, with another passing.

[–] tiramichu@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (2 children)

Pass in the same direction? I assume that's what you mean, since for the opposite direction you'd want another lane on the other side of the road.

[–] birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 9 hours ago

Yeah same direction. Though bike pathes also exist where you pass in the opposite direction, on roads where you only have one bicycle path.

[–] PetteriSkaffari@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

Same direction indeed. If there's somebody slow ahead of you. Looks pretty narrow with tight turns, but it's probably better than biking between the cars.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 40 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's nice to see the traffic bollards, but they really couldn't put any on the corner that the biker turns right on at the end?

It's definitely nice to see effort put into separating it from the rest of the street, which is the safest option for cyclists.

[–] errer@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That’s a crosswalk, you can’t stick a bollard there because it would block the ramp for a wheelchair-bound person. Designing this shit that works for everyone is hard when cars are in the mix…would be a lot easier to just ban the cars to come up with a design that works for everyone else.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

This is, emphatically, not a crosswalk, and is the bit I am talking about. It's a raised curb which still protects the biker and extends between the two crosswalks but not crossing over them.

I guess my point is an out of control vehicle can still fly over that curb and cream a biker and/or pedestrians so it seems (to me) like a good place for bollards.

Wider view showing in context with the crosswalks:

[–] hobovision@mander.xyz 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Those aren't bollards. They're just thin plastic tubes with reflective tape on them to help drivers see where they aren't supposed to drive better.

What you're seeing this is one that already got run over or removed.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Yes, that's my point, there are actual bollards elsewhere on this stretch of bike lane, and I'm proposing actual bollards on this curb.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills, how are so many people misunderstanding this?

These are the actual bollards I'm referring to. Fuck me. Why does everyone assume I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about. I know what a fucking actual bollard looks like. It's a concrete post with a rebar center that extends down into the base concrete/asphalt underneath. It's the whole reason I used the word "bollard."

I'm definitely not talking about these worthless things:

My point is those curb markers are not enough, as evidenced by one already being run over and torn away. Which is once again why there should be actual bollards there.

[–] jumjummy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I may be wrong, but those white markers aren’t actual bollards either. They’re still plastic tubes with reflective tape. I don’t think they’d stop a car from driving through.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago

They look like standard plastic lane markers to me. They're designed to be fairly cheap and are therefore certainly not going to slow down any four wheeled vehicle.

I've seen some filled with cement, bu I don't think you're actually supposed to use them that way.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago

I guess my point is an out of control vehicle can still fly over that curb and cream a biker and/or pedestrians so it seems (to me) like a good place for bollards.

But that would be unsafe because it might injure the drivers of the out-of-control cars.

(This really is the 'logic' traffic engineers often use. The cyclist or pedestrian that might be on the other side of the bollard is rarely considered.)

[–] NarrativeBear@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Using this logic we should have bollards at all pedestrian crossings/intersections.

Its strange how a person on a bike highlights how unsafe streets and roads are because of cars

Also, these bollars that you are referring to here are actually only called curb markers. These are to show cars or snow plows where the curb is in low visibility. They are very similar to the marlers you may see for center curbs like these.

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[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

No, these are the bollards I'm talking about, they have actual bollards at various places on this stretch of bike lane.

My point is they could be effectively used in more places. I'm not a fucking idiot, I know what an actual bollard is. I'm talking about a concrete post with a rebar center firmly affixed to the base concrete/asphalt. Why would I even be using the word "bollard" if I didn't know what the fuck it was?

I'm not talking about these:

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[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Was expecting something terrible to happen. Whole time, I'm thinking "wow this is super nice and everything seems well done and fairly safe.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago

IKR, I've been watching too many videos of bad news.

[–] knexcar@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I do feel like the S bends are a bit tight, seems like it would make it hard to keep a consistent speed if you have to slow down for every intersection. Specifically thinking of e-cargo trikes and trailers that can’t lean into corners like a regular bike can, and take longer to get up to speed.

[–] roscoe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm not sure if it was intended as behavioral engineering to encourage showing down at crosswalks, but even if it's unintentional, I consider it a feature.

[–] cmhe@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

I would agree, but if cars can just drive straight, why should bikes be slowed down?

Fast road bike drivers will then just drive in the road instead, because there they can just keep their speed unhindered.

If bike lanes have a worse experience then driving on the road, for instance sharp curves, steeper hills, worse maintained asphalt or less optimal ways to turn into a side road, then bicycle drivers will want to continue to use the road. Because they are treated as a second class traffic participant.

Cars instead should be treated as a second-class vehicle, because it requires more space, infrastructure and is less efficient.

[–] robocall@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago (3 children)

It makes sense for Southern California to use bicycles as transportation. There's great weather and little rain most of the year.

[–] Wfh@lemmy.zip 26 points 2 days ago (3 children)

The entire country of the Netherlands have proven that infrastructure, not weather, makes cycling the most popular mode of transportation. Hell, most of Nordic big cities are cycling heavens despite their shitty snowy/rainy weather.

[–] robocall@lemmy.world 0 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I really dislike bicycling in the rain

[–] Wfh@lemmy.zip 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

It's not the best and given the choice, I'd rather bike in dry weather but with the right equipment (waterproof jacket, waterproof overpants and waterproof shoes), it's fine.

It's been raining nonstop for months here and I'm still happier on my bike than in any alternative like getting stuck in traffic for hours searching for a parking spot or shoving myself in public transportation with hundreds of people including reeking teenagers who confuse a shower with Axe body spray.

[–] robocall@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

The smells on public transit usually aren't pleasant.

I get frustrated with carrying around waterproof clothes. But, Southern California, especially with the high costs of cars, I don't understand why people aren't enthusiastically switching to e bikes.

[–] Scrollone@feddit.it 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I live in Copenhagen. I confirm: great cycle infrastructure, even in snow.

[–] frank@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 day ago

Same and same (almost always, I mean 2 weeks ago there was a day or two where the bike lane was too full of slushy crap)

[–] sparky@lemmy.federate.cc 2 points 1 day ago

Sure, but great weather just makes it that much more appealing. It’s not a prerequisite but it’s a huge plus. So, not having great bicycle infrastructure in a place with great weather seems like such a loss.

[–] azimir@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Oulu, Finland is a massive biking center. The weather is winter most of the year. Their infrastructure for bikes is amazing so people use it, even when it's cold.

https://oulu.com/en/living/mobility/cycling/

[–] birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yup, salt can do a lot on the snow.

[–] azimir@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago

They also have very strick guidelines about how quickly the bike roads are plowed after/during snowfalls. They keep the routes open and useful so people can trust the transit modality all year round.

The US just plows the snow onto the bike lanes and then complains about how bad biking is.

[–] NarrativeBear@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Infrastructure not weather makes bicycling great.

Similarly having great trails and sidewalks makes walking great, not the weather.

People have been walking in the rain and snow for millennia.

[–] crystalmerchant@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

Tons of this all over Portland! Love to see the growth

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Damn, that’s a nice bike lane!

look how it protects riders and jeans into the existing public transit infrastructure!

[–] FundMECFS@anarchist.nexus 2 points 1 day ago

Yeah! It’s actually a proper bike lane not a paint line. Good to see.

[–] Sprocketfree@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

That's one creaky bike though

[–] fallaciousBasis@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

Needs more chicanes.

Try that in the North with ICE and you're deported.

[–] Ooops@feddit.org 7 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Looks generally okay-ish, especially with all the proper protection. But isn't that awfully narrow for all but a very few bikes? If we learned some thing from the car-brain planning then that induced demand indeed exists.

Just like yet another lane does not reduce but in fact increase car traffic, one proper bike lane will increase bike traffic (and reduce car traffic)... and will quickly outgrow the capacity of these narrow green strips.

[–] NarrativeBear@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Its a step in the right direction, and you would not build a 10 lane highway right away, lanes would be added on and expanded as time progress.

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[–] gon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 days ago

Looks pretty good actually. A little narrow, maybe, but the separation is nice :D

[–] Gork@sopuli.xyz 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If only the rest of the country had such thoughtful urban planning.

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[–] Canadian_Cabinet@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 days ago (5 children)

What does the red paint on the curb mean?

[–] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

It means that cars cannot stop or park in those sections.

It looks like they painted still on curb just in case the drivers would claim that didn't see it or it doesn't apply because the curb wasn't painted.

[–] NateNate60@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

Red paint and yellow paint both mean parking against it is forbidden. Red is typically, but not exclusively, used for fire lanes, which are spaces which must not be obstructed because they are where the fire trucks park in the event of a fire.

Additionally, in the Los Angeles area, green paint is used to indicate that parking is allowed there, but there is a low time limit (such as 30 minutes).

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