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cross-posted from: https://feddit.uk/post/44126927

Goldilocks

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[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 1 points 18 hours ago

Only with protective layers though.

[–] JuliaSuraez@lemmy.world 1 points 20 hours ago

It’s funny how something can be technically correct and still feel counterintuitive. Space really is extreme in every direction.

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Space isn't cold. It isn't hot either.

[–] resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] untorquer@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

When you treat n as the independent variable...

[–] SLVRDRGN@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I forget sometimes that while space isvery cold, it's also an incredible insulator.

[–] untorquer@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In terms of convection sure, but radiation against -270C will freeze you quickly enough.

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 2 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

And in direct sunlight at Earth distance you'll cook. Space isn't cold. It isn't anything. You are describing your temperature.

[–] untorquer@lemmy.world 1 points 20 hours ago

Im describing heat flux in space, which the vast majority of is far from any heat source. Get out of here with your heliocentrism, eeewwww!

[–] J92@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I know its memes, but the astronaut tim peake discussed the space suits on No Such Thing As A Fish where he said that the whole get-up is like 16+ layers thick, and the only heating inside is for your fingertips, so you dont lose fine motor function. He said you can be sitting working on a panel outside the station, with one hand facing the sun and one hand facing the shade, and the delta-T of your two hands could be something like 500°C.

Maaaaadness! (It's been a while since I listened to this episode, my memory of numbers could be skewed.)

[–] LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

Difference in temperature.

[–] J92@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Yeah, sorry. Its difference in temperature. I got delta-T in my head and blinkered in on either making a 'triangle' to denote delta or just write it out, instead of just saying temperature difference.

Apologies.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 47 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Goldilocks space is like "my breath immediately turns solid in the shade and my body is turning to charcoal in the direct sunlight"

You need a giant buffer of atmosphere to help average the temperature a bit. Maybe some kind of large rock with a dense atmosphere?

[–] cynar@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

The other option is a "barbeque roll" a favourite of sci-fi starships, from authors who have done some homework.

You're basically trying to balance half way up a waterfall.

[–] MeatPilot@sh.itjust.works 24 points 2 days ago (4 children)

That or a giant space turtle with elephants holding a flatten rock on it's back.

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

But what's holding up the elephants?

[–] C8r9VwDUTeY3ZufQRYvq@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

WRONG! It is turtles actually. It's elephants alternating with turtles (and then every tenth level is capybaras) all the way down.

[–] untorquer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You're forgetting manatees.

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

They took a mental health / exercise break before they get back in there...

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[–] untorquer@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

I stand corrected.

[–] dwemthy@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago

A strong thaumic field slows down the sunlight too. Doesn't change the heat but it's nice to see sunrise pour across the landscape like honey

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

If you go that way you gotta have at least 8 colors.

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[–] Rooskie91@discuss.online 60 points 2 days ago (8 children)

If that blows your mind then think about this: As the universe expanded after the Big Bang, it cooled from unimaginably high temperatures. In principle, this suggest that there could have been a very short window much later, tens of millions of years after the Big Bang, when the background temperature of the entire universe was capable of sustaining life everywhere. Some physicists have suggested this might have created a brief, universe-wide “habitable epoch,” though this remains theoretical.

I'm not an expert, so this is probably not a muture understanding, but it's cool to imagine a universe where life was incredibly abundant.

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 42 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

but it’s cool to imagine a universe where life was incredibly abundant

There was probably nothing but helium, hydrogen and a tiny bit of lithium at that period.

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 23 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Those are some of the best elements though. 

[–] te_abstract_art@lemmy.world 2 points 23 hours ago

I myself am a caesium guy. Hydrogen is okay but overused

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago

They surely are popular...

[–] kozy138@slrpnk.net 11 points 2 days ago

Top 3 probably

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[–] 8baanknexer@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm skeptical of this. Life doesn't just need a certain temperature, it needs to convert lower entropy energy to higher entropy. A uniform environment temperature does not provide any usable energy. You would still need a star or some other energy source.

[–] cynar@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

It also needs something that can form complex molecules. The lightest element we know of that can form these is carbon. That didn't appear in reasonable quantities until the first stars exploded.

[–] engywook@programming.dev 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Interesting theory, I'd never heard of it before. All of the sudden, "a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away", actually seems plausible (although this theory looks like it came well after SW in 2014).

The actual paper about it: https://lweb.cfa.harvard.edu/~loeb/habitable.pdf

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[–] tensorpudding@lemmy.world 28 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This is not completely correct though. It is our atmosphere/albedo/geological and natural processes that help maintain consistently livable temperatures, not just living in the habitable zone. No atmosphere? We'd be like the Moon, where it is too hot in sunlight and too cold in shade despite being similarly far from the sun as Earth.

[–] sun_is_ra@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Also its not true that space is "very very cold".

If you are in space wearing space suite that doesn't radiate heat properly, you could die from the excessive heat. Once dead your body stops producing heat and the existing heat eventually radiate away and your body freeze.

Space is neither hot or cold because these are property of matter. Since space has very little atoms, it technically has no temperature.

[–] Techlos@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Can't ignore bosons; photon wavelength is a measure of temperature too.

Space has a temperature, which is based on the average of incoming radiation through that space; i.e. the thermal equilibrium to emit as much energy as is absorbed by a theoretical perfectly thermally conductive black body at that point in space.

Based off CMB radiation, space on average is a little over 2.7 kelvin. It'll be hotter near stars, but the void dwarfs matter on a cosmic scale

[–] sun_is_ra@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

TIL.

I guess it depends on definition of the word "temperature".

I was referring to the classical definition

In classical thermodynamics and kinetic theory, temperature reflects the average kinetic energy of the particles in a system, providing a quantitative measure of how energy is distributed among microscopic degrees of freedom.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperature

[–] Zwiebel@feddit.org 31 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Vacuum doesn't have a temperature~

[–] starik@lemmy.zip 27 points 2 days ago (1 children)

But you will if you sit in a vacuum for a while without a radiation source nearby, and it will be quite low.

[–] Mesophar@pawb.social 13 points 2 days ago (16 children)

Are you dissipating heat in a vacuum, though? Pressure shenanigans aside, would someone's body heat slowly, continually build up, or would they freeze?

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 21 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (7 children)

If you could somehow prevent yourself from dying due to lack of pressure, without blocking heat, you would radiate about 650W more than you generate.

That's using the Stefan Boltzmann law, at normal body temp, perfect blackbody and 1.5m2 of skin. (~ 750 Watt) And then assuming 2000kcal a day (~100W)

You'd cool down pretty quickly.

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[–] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 12 points 2 days ago

Heat buildup is actually a problem in space, yeah. You need heat sinks on long term space flights.

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[–] nexguy@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

The dark side of your body in space is freezing cold while the light side gets hot. You really need to rotate to get that even crispy layer.

[–] DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 days ago

Not anymore, there's a blanket

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