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Why beat him when you can join him?

That is literally not possible except on his own instance, PieFed.social. He owns the instance, he calls the shots on it. You could spin up your own instance running PieFed software and call all the same shots on it, or join any of the other PieFed instances like PieFed.zip.

It would be like saying that you should not use Lemmy since Dessalines removes a ton of comments. I mean... perhaps true, but there are instances other than lemmy.ml, and the Lemmy software is kinda fucking awesome entirely separate from the abusive moderation practices of its instance admin team.

Perhaps it's not about some source for ultimate truth, and each case could be decided by a vote?

Hrm... although then the posts could be brigaded I suppose:-(. But if we presume friendliness, then it leaves the decision up to the community whether we want to continue to see e.g. Addam's Family or Scott Adams comics (importantly: not the racist ones, but others!). In that way it would be like Fediverse-style blocking vs. defederation - individual comic posts could be "blocked", while in some truly egregious cases the entire artist themselves would be banned/defederated, and no comics from them allowed (even the non-problematic ones).

seem to be taking criticism of Zionism personally

Because Luminous both called the admin team Zionists and also placed a Swastika onto an icon of the FHF. It's like calling someone a "traitor" - it doesn't have to be true, it can just be a pretext to murder them regardless.

Also, people keep ignoring the fact that it's not merely the death threats levied against the admin team that are problematic, but rather the constant calls for murder shared from both AN and db0 users (as well as ML), although the call for the murder of specifically the FHF team does seem to be the straw that broke the camel's back here, regarding AN.

We always needed to do that, since decentralization was always the entire point of the Fediverse. Especially now that PieFed has virtually solved the fragmentation issue, at least for people on PieFed instances. It takes effort though.

When it comes to the whole ‘murder all zionists thing’, this just kind of proves the point that you are a zionist in the first place.

No it doesn't. Luminous outright called Mr. Kaplan a Zionist, and drew a Swastika onto the logo of the FHF. I responded elsewhere in more detail but wanted to isolate this point here: you seem to assume that Mr Kaplan felt called out due to a guilty conscience or whatever, but that is not what the facts of the matter show in this situation. Luminous very clearly called for the actual irl murder of everyone in the FHF.

And then, in their own words, preemptively banned MrKaplan.

There’s also the fact that you’re silencing voices, refusing to allow people to speak

Setting aside for the moment how Luminous abused their admin powers to do precisely that, and also btw did it first (Mr Kaplan's actions were taken in response to those of Luminous), yes that is exactly correct: the very many many many calls for outright, actual, irl murder coming from AN are now silenced, not visible to the users of LW.

Anyone who wants to can still read them ofc, but LW provides that moderation service to anyone who would like to remain on LW and receive it.

Not all of us are spoiling for a fight 100% of the time, and sometimes people just want to browse some memes once in awhile, ya'know? Without having to wade through calls for murder I mean. The rights of everyone on AN are nowhere being curtailed, i.e. they still retain full rights to speak as freely as they wish, but LW is done platforming such from them, echoing and amplifying and storing those messages on their machines the same as all of the other content on the Threadiverse. Like hexbear, AN got too problematic to have to try to figure out which communities were safer for consumption vs. which were too problematic, so since the numerous calls for violence were not being toned down and even being led by their admin team, the entire instance was defederated from. That's not a witch hunt, that's a response to very clear extremist rhetoric. LW users should not be forced into having to read MAGA-like language, even the leftist version that is supposedly on the "other side" (yet seems to behave so identically to it that I can barely tell a difference anymore).

I am having trouble squaring the various conflicting portions of your statement.

Luminous had also posted the FHF icon with a swastika on top to YPTB

Because the Zionists currently taking potshots at the testicles of Palestinian boys for ethnic cleansing purposes are the very people Luminous was wishing death upon in reality, not Mr Kaplan.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I would expect very few of the testicle potshotters to be using the FHF icon?

You are trying to put words into the mouth of Luminous that they never said - they very clearly levied accusations against specifically the FHF, and as the picture that Rimu showed, specifically named MrKaplan as both a Zionist and a genocide apologist.

Don't forget how Luminous even outright stated that they "preemptively banned" Mr. Kaplan - i.e. not waiting for a specific event but going ahead of any such in order to enact their agenda - which now seems to be what you are claiming that Mr. Kaplan did, but both the data and the very own words of Luminous state clearly how Luminous was the instigator here.

I banned MrKaplan preemptively from !anarchymemes@anarchist.nexus, as I do anyone who displays zionist tendencies. the ban reason was for “zionism, genocide apologia”.

It is no wonder that Mr. Kaplan felt "called out", when Luminous very explicitly did such a calling out!!

But now, throughout this thread, I mostly see people blaming Mr. Kaplan, citing how he went out ahead of any specific event and preemptively enacted an action - yet rarely or only briefly acknowledging the actions of Luminous that lead directly to Mr. Kaplan's response.

i.e. Luminous of AN started a witch hunt, calling Mr. Kaplan a witch, and got defederated in return. Although, if AN truly wants to keep anything that has even remotely touched upon Zionism away from itself, then isn't being defederated from LW a good thing? Or maybe, just maybe, Luminous did not think through the full ramifications of their decision, before they unilaterally took preemptive action against several mods and even admins of other instances?