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[–] edge@hexbear.net 71 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Reminder that "Stockholm syndrome" was invented because the police fucked up a hostage situation so badly that the hostages felt unsafe with the police and had to negotiate their own release with their captors who were behaving more rationally than the police.

idk what to call this, but it's much worse than the event Stockholm syndrome is named for.

[–] Vncredleader@hexbear.net 14 points 11 months ago

Malcolm X had a few choice terms for this shit

[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 51 points 11 months ago

This is good advice though. I will use my vote for others and I will use it wisely. By not voting for supporters of genocide I will show the entire world that I personally don't support genocide. This is the most important election of our time, make sure you tell the whole world that you oppose genocide by not voting for candidates that support genocide

[–] Monk3brain3@hexbear.net 50 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Like I'm sorry but this has nuggets of comedy gold in it. Parts of it totally have the skeleton of a funny copypasta that I could totally see some witty member of a site like this (not me lol) writing this as a meme.

Like "Dems put my family in a concentration camp. But I voted dem. They ignored my human rights as a LGBTQ person. But I voted Dem"

This is some cuck shit lol.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

He also forgot "rise of antiasian hate" in the last few years which dems pump up steadily.

[–] Monk3brain3@hexbear.net 3 points 11 months ago

He's Japanese right, so add nuking his ancestral home to the list. Honestly it's so fucking absurd I could cry

[–] copandballtorture@hexbear.net 44 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Everybody pretending like they live in a swing state. A handful of states and about 10% of the population are going to determine the president while the 90% of us scream into the void

[–] Aryuproudomenowdaddy@hexbear.net 24 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I had some redditor with serious voter brainworms tell me last cycle I had to vote for Biden despite living in a Dem stronghold because it would somehow make it harder for Trump to rig the election? Like if the election is rigged I'm just gonna vote for La Riva so I can sleep at night, thanks.

[–] edge@hexbear.net 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

because it would somehow make it harder for Trump to rig the election

I think the logic there is "look at how many more votes Biden got, he clearly won" as if the nationwide vote count means literally anything.

[–] usernamesaredifficul@hexbear.net 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

you remember how they said Hillary won the popular vote and Trump apologised and made her president

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

And i also remember when Al Gore became president and didn't invaded Iraq and Afghanistan. Or maybe it was Kerry and continuation of both wars. Seriously USA politics is so interchangeable and repeatable that names and dates blurs as fuck.

[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 13 points 11 months ago

Lol they don’t determine shit. 270 guys will determine the president, and they don’t even have to vote for their own party’s nominee.

[–] Flyberius@hexbear.net 41 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Jesus titty-fucking Christ, 140 characters was such a good idea.

[–] lil_tank@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If I were a billionaire I'd buy Twitter and make it 2 characters, so we can all collectively heal

[–] SerLava@hexbear.net 6 points 11 months ago
[–] Judge_Jury@hexbear.net 39 points 11 months ago (2 children)

It means working from within the Democratic party to make it better, even when it has betrayed its values.

What values?

I fought for redress for my community and have spent my life ensuring that America understood that we could not betray our Constitution in such a way ever again.

Constitution? That shit was talking about white men only and we're really gonna lean on it?

[–] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 11 months ago (2 children)

fr Americans talk about their constitution like it's a holy text, it's embarrassing. If they're gonna worship it to that standard then how about updating it? Or writing a new one that's good?

[–] usernamesaredifficul@hexbear.net 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

it's not even a good constitution it's clearly written in a half assed way because they didn't expect the country to last very long

[–] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Seriously. It's been centuries, why can't we just fuckin write a new one already? We can start by outlawing slavery

[–] usernamesaredifficul@hexbear.net 10 points 11 months ago

I genuinely think most American problems come from the fact the US constitution is stupid

like how most British political problems come from the public school system (schools rich people pay money to go to) and people with politics degrees being in politics. If Britain wanted to get back to being run by people capable of operating our political system we would replace every labour MP with a trade union official and every tory MP with someone currently in prison for racketeering

[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 5 points 11 months ago

Because it’s a holy text. Just like the Bible can’t really be “updated” anymore because it’s been “completed” by scribes thousands of years ago. The constitution is complete. There is nothing more you can do to it, lest you dare blaspheme against Our Founding Fathers

[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It means working from within the Democratic party to make it better, even when it has betrayed its values.

Because liberals like using interpersonal violence in their metaphors for politics, how is this any different than staying in an abusive relationship because you think you can fix your partner? Like yeah, maybe you make some progress; maybe you might even have periods where you love each other, but after the 500th black eye, you might want to reconsider the relationship.

[–] penquin@lemm.ee 37 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Stockholm Syndrome is the perfect description for this. Try to state that you won't vote for Biden this year and see the bullying you're going to get. I will vote, but not for democracts or Republicans. I'm sick of being fucked over all the time, and this "the lesser of two evils" bullshit. They can both eat a bag of dicks.

[–] Scew@hexbear.net 23 points 11 months ago (1 children)

why have a decent candidate when you can just activate your brainwashed masses to bully their friends and family over social media?

[–] penquin@lemm.ee 16 points 11 months ago

That's exactly what the fuck it is. Polarization is what they love. People called me all kinds of names and tried to make me feel guilty and that I'll be the cause of the doom of this country if I didn't vote for Biden.

[–] zifnab25@hexbear.net 31 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The latest Hell of Presidents honestly did a great job of describing this same phenomenon, going from Lincoln to Arthur.

You had a guy who was constrained by the demands of the political moment (Free Real Estate) who managed to leverage that demand into genuine revolutionary change. And he was empowered by a groundswell of ideological supporters, zealous converts, and economic interests who simply clocked where the wind was blowing. But then the machinery of politics took over the show, the ideologues were jettisoned in favor of compromises, and the only thing political leadership cared about was the consolidation of additional powers.

Takei is a Native American living under the Garfield administration and staunchly asserting the need for strong abolitionist Republicans, when the party has long since abandoned abolition in favor of professionalizing the administrative state. He's been subjected to a litany of abuses under his own guys, but all he can see is the Bloody Shirt of prior opposition groups. And he's fucking old. All he can care about is the next administration, because at 86 years old he simply isn't going to be around to see what 2028 or 2032 or 2040 has in store.

[–] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 30 points 11 months ago

Real Charles Taylor hours.

"He killed my ma, he killed my pa, but I will vote for him."

[–] dumpster_dove@hexbear.net 29 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If you can't stand them at their worst, you don't deserve them at their best!

[–] OprahsedCreature@lemmy.ml 15 points 11 months ago

"Excuse me Joe, but your worst is genocide and your best is occasional wavering support for minimal workers rights while keeping the povicidal status quo."

"DOG FACED PONY SOLDIER!!1!"

[–] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This reads like satire, I almost want to believe George Takei has been doing a bit for the past decade or so and is about to pull a massive "gotcha"

Imagine laying out all the times the democrats explicitly went against the people, against civil rights, against human rights, and then insisting that they must be voted for for "democracy."

[–] huf@hexbear.net 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

imagine thinking that the values of the democratic party are somehow magically different from the actions of the democratic party...

[–] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 11 months ago

Liberals love talking about values and morals, hate talking about actions and results.

[–] Crowtee_Robot@hexbear.net 15 points 11 months ago

A whipped dog won't bite its master.

[–] LanyrdSkynrd@hexbear.net 14 points 11 months ago

I really thought this was going to end up like W.E.B. Debois's "Why I won't vote".

Stupid post. Basically, "Democrats have done nothing for me, but I'll keep voting for them."

[–] usernamesaredifficul@hexbear.net 13 points 11 months ago

The Democrat party's values are taking bribes and cynical pork barrel politics.

Or Andrew Jackson who was basically an 18th century crypto bro

[–] LaughingLion@hexbear.net 11 points 11 months ago

I'll bite. Let's say you 100% agree with this argument.

You can use this argument to make the case for Trump. This blade cuts both ways.

[–] LeZero@hexbear.net 7 points 11 months ago

But being a liberal, being a progressive

Also being rich and have aligned material interests

[–] stevedidwhat_infosec@infosec.pub 4 points 11 months ago (10 children)

Either we choose imperfect progress, or we default back into stagnanation and rotting.

It’s a pretty simple choice in my book

[–] EnsignRedshirt@hexbear.net 55 points 11 months ago

Indeed. It’s not perfect, but refusing to participate in a stagnating system by not voting is the only reasonable path forward. The alternative is endorsing the rot.

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 47 points 11 months ago (2 children)

What's the concrete example of imperfect progress we have to choose from right now?

[–] MattsAlt@hexbear.net 23 points 11 months ago

Slowly or quickly progressing towards disaster!

[–] stevedidwhat_infosec@infosec.pub 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)
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[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 44 points 11 months ago

Can you provide 3 concrete examples of systemic progress the current administration has accomplished?

[–] Acute_Engles@hexbear.net 42 points 11 months ago

Progress would be so cool

[–] CannotSleep420@lemmygrad.ml 29 points 11 months ago

Joedolf Bidler isn't progress.

[–] Zrc@hexbear.net 25 points 11 months ago
[–] TheLastHero@hexbear.net 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

now you see why revolution, even with all its inherent messiness and chaos, is inevitable and necessary comrade.

[–] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 11 months ago

I agree, this is why we should throw out this whole stagnating and rotting system that is only getting worse over time and replace it with something better for the people.

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[–] Egon@hexbear.net 3 points 11 months ago

Stockholm syndrome is a made up concept invented by Swedish cops to explain how they could bungle a hostage negotiation so badly that the hostages thought the criminals were more rational

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