But trad wife got the booba

As a slight counterpoint, there are some reactionaries who obsess over historic European pagans (especially Norse but also Germanic and Celtic) for example nazis with their runes. However you do have a point overall, that these reactionaries tend to jerk off to the image of ancient Rome especially

The Matriarchal pagan stuff is a Victorian romantic invention. We know extremely little about the societies of the Celts and related peoples, with the vast majority of what we do know coming from two accounts, both Roman, which are very obviously reductive takes of similar academic rigour to Victorian anthropologists talking about the Australian aboriginals.

While of course, much of what people are attached to in their fixations on the Romans and Greeks is also Victorian fiction, we at least have a wealth of first hand written sources and corroborating archeological evidence. For the Celtic peoples across Europe and particularly in Britain, we have essentially nothing. No idea of what their religion looked like, what their laws and traditions were or how they organised their society.

None of them probably even know who Boudica is.

This is certainly true of the reactionaries of today although strangely Victorian Britain did sometimes use Boudica, and celtic resistance to the Roman occupation in general, as something of a propaganda tool against rival European powers which is pretty confusing. Guess it's a bit like how right wing Italians will try and invoke Giuseppe Garibaldi even though he was involved in the First International.

None of them probably even know who Boudica is.

there was an infamous bnp "educational" video once that gave a mediocre recounting of her and the iceni's exploits (ending with the godawful line "and boudica was WHITE!") and they couldn't even say her fucking name right

Boudicca was a badass.

I would very much like it if a revival of nature worship occurred as a religious movement. With climate change the way it is I believe it would be quite successful. There is however far too much potential for the kind of burning man crowd to take it over and turn it into cringe instead of a proper folk-ey working class thing.

you can't actually fight ahistorical nonsense with ahistorical nonsense that makes you feel good, sorry.

Federici go brrr. There's a reason that capitalism and its form of state derives purposefully from the Roman state. White culture was always constructed to lionize Roman sociocultural norms.

Good post, before the west colonized the world we had already been colonized by Rome and the church

We don't even really know who the fuck we are anymore or where we came from and yet those ignorant white marble statue avatar dipshits are proud of this instead of sad, it's pathetic

Ironically, a lot of the stuff you could call "white culture" was burnt at the stake, banned, brutalized, and literally demonized by the Empires that chuds think are so civilized.

don't worry, norweigian fash appropriated this too

Boudica is about as solid evidence of matriarchy as Isabella, Lizzy or Margaret. And late medieval/early modern Europe was very much not a matriarchy (believe it or not). Never mind that the Romans were pagan themselves.

Women were often among the earliest to adopt Christianity in pagan Europe.

The Scottish and Irish that fought the British weren't pagans. Irish nationalism by the time of the empire was explicitly Catholic as were the Jacobites who were as much fighting Scottish leadership as English and weren't fighting for independence they wanted to be British with a Catholic king.

The Scottish didn't fight the British empire they were partners in it especially in the colonisation of Ireland.

As others have alluded to here, Boudica is kind of a perfect example of why the matriarchal pagan past stuff is also bunk history largely. Fantastic video recently by J. Draper on the subject. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zq5oY3Ki7X0

The simplest way to put it is even during Roman times everything we know about her is from 2 sources both of which are different from one another and clearly aim to use her for political ends. Boudica as we know her, as she has existed in any meaningful way in society since she lived was a political propaganda piece. In fact the strong female leader element was part of it from the beginning. In the two wildly different battle speeches the Romans gave her, she speaks about being a female warrior, but it is playing to a different purpose in each. Here is a write-up from askhistorians

The problem is that all three accounts of Boudica are extremely Roman in context. They're written by Roman historians, and are full of Roman ideas about virtue, femininity, justice, government, etc.

Whenever the supposedly Briton characters in these sources speak (and all speeches in all Roman histories are the work of the author, not the actual words of the historical personages) they do so for a Roman audience, referring to the Roman context. It's laughably obvious in Dio's history, where Boudica spends half the speech referring to legendary queens from Greek and Roman myth such as Nitocris and Semiramis, or to powerful women from recent Roman history such as Agrippina and Messalina. Dio actually puts a parenthetical "For we have learned about these from the Romans" after "Boudica" says this, because otherwise all this classical learning from a British queen might have been too much even for his audience to stomach. Even the rather fun dig Dio's Boudica aims at Nero, "[the Romans] are slaves to a lyre-player and a poor one too," is clearly more something a Roman historian would say rather than a British queen.

However, even the much more subtle and believable-sounding passages in Tacitus are replete with such Roman contexts and Roman ideas about morality and justice. Where Dio's Boudica is a brutal, masculine, Barbarian queen, and Tacitus' Boudica in the Agricola seems quite similar to Dio's version, his Boudica in the annales behaves and is described like a virtuous Roman matron, avenging a wrong done to her as a Roman citizen by greedy and low-born servants of a rap*cious procurator. Tacitus' version of the rebellion is a morality tale: The greedy Romans offend against the natural order whilst the (brave, disciplined, properly Roman) governor Paulinus is away, and as a result they are punished by death and defeat at the hands of the Britons. However, the Britons aren't satisfied with their revenge and continue their war, and are then punished by the returning governor, who restores proper law and order...

We'll probably never know what kind of a person Boudica actually was, or what motivated her. The sources on her life are extremely interesting, but they teach us much more about what conservative upper-class Romans thought about women, foreigners and justice than they do about the actual personality and motivations of the characters they're ostensibly describing.

Then centuries later she becomes popular again literally for the British empire. They change her speech to being about empire and prophesizing the British Empire. And they play up her similarities to Queen Elizabeth during her time. So the history you are talking about, the real past of Europe, is literally written by wealthy white Romans for their ends, and British imperialists doing the same. Not to sound harsh to anyone, but this is just more mythmaking. Not even replacing old European myths with new ones, but bringing back the OG Europe myths like Boudica.

The Celtic (probably one of the oldest) version of Cinderella is about a girl (The Girl Who Tends the Ashes) who is essentially an indentured servant of a landlord tyrant who runs an inn. Like in the other variations, the Prince comes to visit and the woman who runs the inn tries to get him to notice her two daughters, and sends the protag out to gather from the woods. The Prince, to escape the overbearing inn owner, finds The Girl in the woods and treats her like a slave and so she runs deeper into the woods, where she meets a based spae-woman who lives alone and who hatches a plan with her to basically fleece the Prince at his big party with conjured golden clothes.

It rocks tbh, Celtic stuff is full of odd class-conscious tales like those. Probably why the Irish Nationalists had so much success bringing back those old tales.

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They're barely even referencing those, more like Victorian era memories of those and the gilded age/the 50s

They could definitely tell you who Boudica is because of the fate grand order hentai

What if instead of matriarchy it was gaytriarchy and it was just for the fellas?

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The white version of a hotep is a viking guy. Which still falls into that trap. Cause real vikings were doing arts n crafts and braiding hair for half the year cause it was too cold to go outside.