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It seems kind of primitive to have power lines just hanging on poles, right?

Bit unsightly too

Is it just a cost issue and is it actually significant when considering the cost of power loss on society (work, hospital, food, etc)?

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[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 6 hours ago (3 children)

Don't make the mistake of looking at one region and generalising to a universal. Where are you looking at?

Here in Switzerland practically everything <1kV is buried.
For high voltage lines they have only built one section to experiment so far. It's pretty expensive, heats the ground a bit and blocks water with all the concrete, so it's not so clear if it's a good choice for agriculture happening above.

I've wondered a lot why they don't bury more infrastructure in hurricane regions in the US for example.

[–] Soulg@ani.social 6 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

It sure is frustrating as an American to be like "why is x not done this other way that's better and makes more sense?" And for the almost universal answer to be "we do it that way in "

Not frustrated at you, frustrated at the US

[–] gustofwind@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

I’ve seen them buried in some hurricane prone areas here but not many of them. I don’t think they’d need to bury most of the high voltage lines as those are easy to maintain above ground but there are a lot of disaster prone areas that could benefit from residential power being buried locally

So yes we’d need to be smart about choosing the appropriate places for it but nearly all the places that could use it dont because $$

[–] hector@lemmy.today 1 points 5 hours ago

Everywhere. La fires were caused by sparking lines, previous fires as well. Ice storms knock out power anywhere, it makes sense to bury them when possible.

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 24 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Because it's much harder to bury things above ground.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 21 points 6 hours ago (1 children)
[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 hour ago

I approve of this meme.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 11 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Harder to maintain if it is underground.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Nonsense. It's just about being cheaper.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Saving money is a valid choice, but it may just be short term outlook here.

My brother used to work for a public electric utility and they buried their power lines where possible. The neighboring private utility guys always pointed out how much cheaper their lines were to maintain. But the public utility had solid data providing they saved money over the long term, by better protecting their lines

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 points 46 minutes ago

Yeah, this makes sense to me. Less likely for something to go wrong but more difficult to deal with when it does. The end result is a product of both of those, so depends on how much less likely and how much more difficult.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 5 points 5 hours ago

Which is what i'm saying.

[–] noname_no_worries@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

They are in most residential areas here in Denmark.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 2 points 5 hours ago

places with above ground lines are effectively low priority for the municipality and utility companies. it's the common way in places where it's common because short term benefits are always treated as more important than long term benefits

[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 10 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

You don't pay for all the space between poles. Its also cheaper ad quicker to stand a pole than to build a manhole.

It would be better for everyone if was all underground. It is purely cost with a smidgen of time efficiency.

[–] hector@lemmy.today 1 points 5 hours ago (3 children)

It would save money in the long run though.

[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

You would pay thousands for each meter of duct built including resurfacing whereas you would likely stand two poles with the same distance for less than a grand.

Take it that overhead is more likely to cause future issues, they would need to be significantly more for that to be the case. Where this comes in is regulations on SLAs and fines, loss of service costs. But on a pure cost basis it likely would take a long time for underground to balance out.

Companies also dont care and would prefer to lower build costs at the risk of future operational costs

[–] hector@lemmy.today 1 points 1 hour ago

It would definitely depend on circumstances on this one. In california it would pay for itself with less fires alone. But all areas would have less service costs fixing them after storms. My power just went out a few weeks back here, and last year north a ways all the power got knocked out, some for weeks, in an ice storm that left .5 to over 1 inch of ice on stuff or something.

[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 0 points 2 hours ago

Please provide the research you are basing that claim on.

[–] owsei@programming.dev 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Yes, do people in power care though?

[–] hector@lemmy.today 2 points 5 hours ago

At best they do not care no. They are extracting money for donors. As such more often they oppose more efficient ways of doing things on behalf of the ones doing it now.

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 7 hours ago

In Germany: They are in the more urban areas.
The more rural have it either on street poles, poles on the roof, both or underground.

[–] LeSeiko@lemmy.world 34 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

They are. In developed countries.

[–] FatVegan@leminal.space 4 points 10 hours ago

In some countries it's way more important that a few people can buy a third Yacht.

[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

They are safer and less prone to fault underground.

It just costs more.

[–] brandon@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago

One point for above ground is that it is far easier to know when it’s damaged to the point of being unsafe for the general public and much simpler and quicker to repair. For underground, you don’t know that until there is a failure that causes outages or someone/something gets hurt.

While I have seen numerous downed power lines, I have not know anything actual hurt by them. On the other hand, I have known multiple dogs who’ve died stepping on top of electrified access points while out for walks. While this is purely anecdotal, it’s not black and white either.

Other underground utilities have more obvious failure signs to the public (smells, flooding, water damage etc) and generally have minimal short term consequences while electrical faults tend to go unnoticed until a significant failure event (i.e. power goes out or something gets killed). Our town has hundreds of reported natural gas leaks, that is take years to fix while pole repairs tend to happen within an hour of being reported with police standing by until the crew shows up.

[–] krull_krull@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

Let me reverse the question

Why do power cables need to be buried in non dense urban area?

Yes it will make it a bit ugly, but so what?. It's not like it being ugly will do anything anyway. It's not like being a bit ugly is a very annoying thing unlike when there a trash heap and it smells bad.

I think we should just keep it up there for sub-urban and rural areas, and invest the saved money on other things.

Also, im from developing country so my perspective is bit different for this topic.

[–] Mailloche@lemmy.ca 6 points 7 hours ago

I work for a Telco and most of our service interruptions are caused by fibre cuts, falling trees on poles, and ice or fire damage to aerial cables. Underground is just so much better.

[–] toynbee@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago

It makes life harder on Spider-Man if you bury things.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 hours ago

storm damage.

[–] Wilco@lemmy.zip 0 points 4 hours ago (1 children)
[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 0 points 2 hours ago

First, underground lines will be flooded far sooner. Second, IF water were ever to reach the height of those lines you're right, everyone in the vicinity would be dead long before that happened.

[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 6 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Probably harder to maintain easier fixes in colder areas where the ground freezes for half a year.

[–] Mailloche@lemmy.ca 3 points 7 hours ago

Shielded and reinforced underground conduits my friend!

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[–] Jumi@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

One thing to be aware of is that it's much easier and cheaper to repair damages or upgrade it. Underground is not without problems too, moisture or ground movement for example.

[–] GoofSchmoofer@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

There is moisture above ground too and ground movement can affect the poles as well. I would think that there is more exposure to damages above ground with cars hitting them, tree limbs, strong winds, animals chewing through wires, etc. While it's easier to repair damages above ground I believe there would be less of them with buried lines.

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