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[–] Zwiebel@feddit.org 53 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)
[–] DivineDev@piefed.social 65 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You might have confused metric time (which is basically just seconds, the SI unit for measuring time) with decimal time, a way of keeping time that's more in line with the base-10 numbering system.

(Yes I found out about this just now)

[–] Zwiebel@feddit.org 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

🫡 thx xD

[–] DmMacniel@feddit.org 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You mean Swatch Internet Time?

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[–] MarcomachtKuchen@feddit.org 34 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (6 children)

Honestly a great case for "I have no idea why we chosen 60 as a random ass base for time "

Also im aware that base is not the proper term in this case since the base is still 10, but I have not idea how you would call the switch to the bigger unit treshhold

[–] Impound4017@sh.itjust.works 46 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

I’ve always assumed it’s because of the usefulness in its divisibility, with 60 able to be subdivided evenly in halves, thirds, quarters, fifths, and sixths, and because 24 is just 12x2 and 60 is just 12x5, that remains the case (save for fifths) for all subdivisions of the day in its 60/60/24 configuration.

My guess is that it’s simply an issue of working with something like a day, defined by cosmic forces rather than human sensibilities or control, where you don’t always get something that can be decimalized and still have useful units of time. I’ve done zero research on the actual reason, though, so that’s just a guess.

[–] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 28 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Oooh Sexagesimal. That's hot.

[–] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 weeks ago

Don't look at me while I'm learning about sexagesimals

[–] Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 weeks ago

Also why a circle is 360, lots whole number divisors.

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 21 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Also im aware that base is not the proper term in this case since the base is still 10, but I have not idea how you would call the switch to the bigger unit treshhold

Actually "base" is entirely the correct term in this case. The first group to write down a really systematic method for timekeeping were the Sumerians, and they used base-60 math. This worked really well with solar and lunar cycles, which were important for crop planting, and with astronomical studies (mapping the stars had major applications for both navigation and religion, so it was culturally significant). Empires that came after the Sumerians copied and expanded their system, so it eventually spread to everyone.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

Fun fact you can count to 12 on one hand and 60 on two hands,bits how the Babylonians traded.

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[–] killabeezio@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

There was an attempt to convert to decimal and use 100 minutes in an hour, but this failed and it was reverted back. https://somethingmarvelousblog.wordpress.com/2017/07/18/the-best-of-time-the-worst-of-time-the-failed-french-experiment-of-decimal-time/

[–] Ricaz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

There was also a great proposal to use kiloseconds.

We already use 15 minutes (16.67 minutes = 1ksec) a lot in regular speech. My language has a word for it (kvarter) which is used all the time.

There used to be cool website listing all the benefits but it's been down for a few years :(

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[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

People like give shit to the US for not using the metric system ("you have 12 inches in a foot and 5,280 feet in a mile? how do you even remember that?") but see no irony in using a random ass base for time ("it's easy you just have 60 minutes in an hour and 24 hours in a day.")

[–] birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

I actually developed a metric time for that reason, alongside with an International Fixed Calendar using the Holocene Era. It works on a libreoffice spreadsheet. The calendar itself isn't metric, but it's highly regular, and that makes it nice imo. The spreadsheet auto-updates the time once you edit the spreadsheet (put random character somewhere, remove). But I sadly don't know how to put that on a working site or whatever, or as software...

I picked the Holocene Era because it's globally actually relevant, and it's not tied to a controversial figure (2026 being tied to Christ).

Basically, it's right now, according to my calendar:

Year: 11'726
Month: 1
Week: 2
Day of year: 12

Hour: 8
Minute: 1


How does the calendar work?

There are 364 days in a year. There are 13 months of 28 days each, divided in weeks of 7 days. There are two additional days, New Year's Eve and Leap Day. They don't belong to any day of the week. (Religious groups that object, can just have an extra day of prayer, or use their own calendar). The extra month can be called Midsummer, or Solsticy. (Or just name the months "first, second month" and days likewise).

The first day after New Year's Eve is the first day that days lengthen again in the North. That day will always be a Monday, starting the year proper.

How does the day work?There are 100'000 seconds (instead of 86,400).
There are 10'000 tenths.
There are 1'000 minutes.
There are 100 quarters.
There are 10 hours.
And that is 1 day.

Left is new unit, right their old equivalent:
second: 0.864 old second
tenth: 8.64 old seconds
minute: 1.44 old minute (1 min, 26.4 sec)
quarter: 14.4 old minutes (14 min, 24 sec)
hour: 2.4 old hours (2 hr, 24 min)

It works out relatively niftily, to be honest.

[–] Melissa@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 days ago

I’m always looking for a fun little project, I could dev that into a desktop app or website if you wanted.

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[–] Denjin@feddit.uk 3 points 2 weeks ago

According to this article it comes from the first sundials used by the ancient Egyptians which divided the day up into 12 equal parts and then the night being divided up into 12 equal parts from the movement of 12 particular stars.

The the Babylonians were the ones who divided those 24 hours up into 60s thanks to their numbering system being base 60.

And then it just sort of stuck? The only large scale attempt to shift to a different numbering system for time and dates was in revolutionary France but it never really expanded beyond that and once the railways and telegraph required a standardised system of time internationally and things became fixed where we are now.

[–] Small_Quasar@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It comes from the ancient Summerians (through the not-quite-as-ancient Babylonians) directly from their use of base 60 (for some things - they used 10 and 12 for others). So I think you're good.

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[–] qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website 33 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

The thing that fascinates me is that every single digital microwave I've ever used behaves the same way, and allows the "seconds-place" to be 0-99.

My best guesses are

  • There's some ASIC that's been around forever and everyone uses it (a cockroach chip like the 555)
  • The first digital microwave did this and all subsequent ones followed
  • There's actually some implementation reasons why this is way more sensible.

Writing it in software, there are different ways that folks would probably implement it, for example, "subtract one, calculate minutes and seconds, display" seems reasonable. But nope, every one I've ever used is just the Wild West in the seconds department.

[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

So you're saying they accept up to 99 in the seconds place when typed in but go from 2:00 to 1:59? (I don't have a digital microwave at home)

[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Tap into the button wiring in the control panel (if you're qualified!). Maybe you'll be able to type FF (hexadecimal) seconds, resulting in cooking time of 150+15=165 seconds!

Now seriously, a big portion of BCD (binary-counting-decimal) equipment is actually binary-to-hexadecimal but the counter is expected to reset before reaching A. Sometimes it doesn't:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvZgfj0_hJU&t=86

Another video, super compressed, by me, shot on a feature phone:
personal scale in st/lb mode goes up to A
You also see it go to 3 st 14 lb, which should not be possible because it's suppoded to show 4 st 0 lb at that point. (I use kilograms, I was just wondering what the switch in the battery compartment does.) I originally thought the ASIC inside would be a kind of microcontroller stripped down to what's needed: CPU (8- or even 4-bit, likely von Neumann) with a few registers (hard to call that RAM), (EE?)PROM for the program and calibration data (there's a pair of pins labeled "CAL" for a jumper or serial interface; I won't mess with them), 1:4 multiplexed LCD driver, digital input (not even GPIO) pins for the unit switch and calibration interface, differential amplifier and A/D converter, plus some support circuitry like an RC oscillator for the CPU clock, charge pump for the LCD, low battery voltage detector and sleep/wake circuit for power saving. This could enable the same ASIC to be used in personal and kitchen scales, maybe even pressure gauges, thermometers or more, just with a different program, LCD and external components. However, now I see that there is likely no CPU because doing the math in software would make such errors impossible. So there's most likely a hardwired logic system with hardware counters (just a little more complex than those cheap 3½-digit multimeters), binary-to-hex-7seg-digit converters and a flaky analog threshold system in the st:lb mode (the kg mode is a robust 1500-count decimal counter).

[–] Smorty@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

so did they assume a colon was I between those? like this 1:20 instead of 120?

if not, the microwave probably either has a bad display, is is badly programmed.... or im missing something.

[–] jumjummy@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It’s just the way microwaves are programmed. Same reason 99 cooks longer than 100. It interprets a 100, 200, etc as minutes. I think most microwaves handle anything over 100 as minute + seconds, treating it like it had a : in there.

[–] gray@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I mean everything is hard if you've never learned it

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 weeks ago

More people to understand and internalize this idea.

There's nothing wrong with ignorance. It's refusing to recognize and correct ignorance that's the problem.

[–] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 17 points 2 weeks ago

As a side note, I'm glad my early teen Yahoo Answers account was purged before I became an adult and the internet archived everything

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 14 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Well, on a more serious note, it is odd that some microwaves let you type in 90 and time down from "90" instead of "1:30". I should type in something like 190 and see what it does. My bet is it only does the weird seconds format when it's 99 seconds or less. Because obviously 100 would be a minute, not 100 seconds.

[–] 18107@aussie.zone 20 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I tried 190. Its counts down 90 seconds to 1:00 before rolling over to 0:59.
190 is 2 minutes and 30 seconds.

I've also tried 0 and it just beeps.

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Its counts down 90 seconds to 1:00 before rolling over to 0:59.

I love that someone made that feature.

"Look, people are morons, just let them enter up to 99 seconds"

[–] Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 weeks ago

It's just a display that's 00:00 to 99:99 it's the simplest possible logic for the use case.

That's why 00:90 is longer then 01:00. And +1:00 is less than +00:60 sometimes. You have to roll over 00:99 with +00:01 to hit 01:00.

Iv rarely seen some microwaves with a +1 second button and they act this way.

Like microwaves best as I can tell have worked like this since the 70s the expections are absurdly rare.

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[–] Klear@quokk.au 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I used to have an old digital 24h clock and one time I was watching close to midnight. It went from 23:58 to 23:59, then a minute later 24:00 blinked for a second before it went to 0:00.

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[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Honestly it's a nice feature.

I have a thing that takes 45 seconds to warm. I take two of them, type in 90 and it just works!

Of course that breaks down if I take four of them and type in 180, but meh. Worst case is that it'll be a little cold.

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[–] BenLeMan@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

And despite all this, Remmy P. can still form babby.

(And vote. And drive a car, keep and bear a firearm, etc.)

Scary.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 22 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

No, it's not.

Scary is the guy who can form babby, and drive and own a gun, who is also absolutely and completely convinced that they are right about everything.

Remmy P is not the problem, because Remmy P encountered a situation where their poor information didn't mesh with reality and immediately stopped and asked for help. Remmy P is learning. Remmy P recognizes their ignorance.

There are people with PhDs who do not have this basic life skill.

Those people scare me. Remmy P just needs a little help.

Remember, everyone is a fucking idiot sometimes. Even (especially) smart people.

[–] BenLeMan@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago

You know what, that's a fair point. It does take some humility to be able to admit that one might be wrong. And it seems like that kind of humility is somewhat hard to come by these days.

[–] toynbee@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Around eighteen years ago I linked a Yahoo! question to a then friend of mine. He said "I love Yahoo! Answers, trolls trolling trolls."

Not sure why this comes to mind at the moment ...

[–] VitoRobles@lemmy.today 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

My favorite story about yahoo Answers is that I was a huge troll. Like, telling people the wrong thing in recipes, and certain things was interchangeable. All lies. And I don't know shit about food.

And worse, id get lots of Helpful reviews.

Then a decade later Yahoo Answers sent me a email saying that some of my answers were Abuse and would be banned.

So for 10 whole years, my lies were up?

Then the year after, yahoo answers was deactivated.

[–] bigchungus@piefed.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 weeks ago

Has science gone too far?

[–] madjo@piefed.social 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

120 seconds is not 1 minute 20...

[–] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 weeks ago

Yes it is? Did you read the post above?

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Any other 99 second homies up in here?

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[–] bmpvy@feddit.org 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

my dyscalculia is dyscalculating (again)

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