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[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Rice requires hours just to filter out all the stones from it.

[–] frog@feddit.uk 183 points 5 days ago (8 children)

Wheat is easier to grow and requires less water. The first farmers in the Middle East became farmers almost acidentally. When they transported the wheat, the dropped crop started growing more and closer to where they were processing it. Eventually some of them decided they would rather grow the wheat than being part of a nomadic tribe. This will eventually lead to a population boom where women would have children every year rather than every four years.

[–] GorGor@startrek.website 114 points 5 days ago

Also more protein in wheat compared to rice. Actually a lot more nutrients in wheat compared to rice.

[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 27 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Ok great but how did they figure out you could EAT IT if you did a shitload of seemingly random shit to it that you don’t have to do with, like, any other crop?

[–] BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 78 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Sounds like you're assuming step 1 of eating it was processing it into bread. Beyond that, ancient people eventually tried to eat everything. Seeds, grains, and nuts were not uncommon.

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[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 40 points 5 days ago (9 children)

You don't have to do all of that to eat it, you just have to do all of that to make bread. You can make bread from oats, you can also process it less and make porridge.

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[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 21 points 4 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

All you need to do to make wheat edible is soak it in water to make it soft enough to chew. Wheat in water is "gruel".

You can improve upon it by boiling, which will make porridge, or baking, which will dehydrate the gruel into a primitive bread. The drained, starchy liquid, if left to sit for awhile, will become a primitive ale. Pre-grinding makes it easier to eat.

Every dietary use is an evolutionary progression from soaking wheat in water.

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[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 48 points 4 days ago (2 children)

The number of people who have no clue how much processing goes into making rice edible is hilarious.

[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

I am not old but even I remember my mom spending hours filtering all the stone from rice.

[–] tehn00bi@lemmy.world 22 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Or just to grow it. Rice is stupid hard compared to wheat.

[–] Digestive_Biscuit@feddit.uk 6 points 3 days ago (2 children)

As well as regional factors. They both grow in totally different environments.

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[–] adminofoz@lemmy.cafe 58 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

Be hooman, eat much seed. Seed good. Wheat like seed. Wheat good. Rock smash seed, easy eat seed.

Rain make smash seed taste funny. Fire make rain smash seed tastey. Society.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 13 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It's actually been theorized that beer was a driving factor for humanity discovering agriculture.

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[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 114 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (16 children)

Boiled wheat is perfectly edible, actually. Tasty? Not really, but I didn't grow up on it and we're extremely spoilt compared to prehistoric peoples. Stuff like boiled barley kernels (AFAIK you can't really make bread with barley) was still a relatively common dish 1-200 hundred years ago in my parts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groat_(grain)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_barley

[–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 43 points 5 days ago (13 children)

Significant point: "Edible" is subject to discussion. Not more than 100 years ago, the expected diet in large parts of Norway was boiled fish, boiled potatoes, and some form of boiled grain. For every meal. Your entire life. Vitamins? Go chew on that shrub until the scurvy goes away.

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[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 46 points 4 days ago (2 children)

One guy can grow and harvest a wheat field large enough to feed his family, but rice requires a lot of community organization to grow.

[–] HeadyBroccoli@lemmy.zip 29 points 4 days ago (6 children)

There’s an interesting hypothesis called the Rice Hypothesis that theorizes that the different styles of farming rice vs wheat shaped our societies in ways that are still prevalent today. Farming rice led to strong collectivism in society, while farming wheat led to strong individualism in society. Perhaps this is what has led to our differences in ideologies and governing systems.

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[–] OshagHennessey@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Also, a very different climate and soil.

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[–] OshagHennessey@lemmy.world 41 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It's pretty simple, really. Rice doesn't grow everywhere.

[–] rmuk@feddit.uk 28 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Can confirm. I'm currently at Tim Horton's and there's no rice growing.

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[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 52 points 4 days ago

Wheat doesn't actually require all that much. Soak it in water, and it becomes gruel. Let gruel sit around for awhile, the liquid becomes a rudimentary ale. Boil off the liquid, you have a rudimentary bread. Want to make it easier to eat? Grind it before you add the water.

Every other use is an evolution of those basic concepts.

[–] plyth@feddit.org 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Because they wiped their ass with a communal sponge.

The shared gut bacteria provided the micronutrients that are needed to develop the intelligence that can handle the complexity.

OP needs to get topped more to compensate.

[–] bryophile@lemmy.zip 63 points 5 days ago (2 children)

You can boil wheat too. Ancient peoples used to make porridge

[–] grue@lemmy.world 28 points 5 days ago (3 children)

And by "porridge" you mean "beer".

Booze was the real motivator.

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[–] felixwhynot@lemmy.world 67 points 5 days ago (9 children)

Anon is not thinking enough about beer

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[–] BurnedDonutHole@ani.social 47 points 5 days ago (2 children)

You can't grow rice where there isn't a proper water supply so much so that your field is basically a swamp until it's time to harvest. Meanwhile wheat and barley doesn't need much water to cultivate.

[–] Nighed@feddit.uk 27 points 5 days ago (5 children)

I don't think rice requires water? It just tolerates it fine, so it's useful for pest/weed control?

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[–] MisterNeon@lemmy.world 68 points 5 days ago (8 children)

Sir and/or Madam,

Have you heard the good word about maize (corn)? 🌽

[–] AngryishHumanoid@lemmy.world 34 points 5 days ago

WHAT UP MOTHER SHUCKERS

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[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 23 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

We have tried to grind, dry, ferment, bake, broil, boil, and fry everything on the face of the earth. Countless times. Humans have had the same brainpower for ages, just not the same knowledge base.

wheat makes beer

beer yeast and wheat makes bread

wheat made pasta

wheat grows well in colder climates.

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[–] Bosht@lemmy.world 18 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The ignorance around rice is what gets me on this one. It's almost troll level.

[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Don't mind me, just gonna go and internally scream "STONES" for 3 minutes straight over there.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 56 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Rice needs just as much processing. Do you think the rice you buy in the store is what it's like in the field?

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[–] robocall@lemmy.world 44 points 5 days ago (3 children)

In California, native Americans made acorn porridge. They collected the acorns, shelled and roasted them, ground it into a flour, then leached it because it's full of bitter tannins, and then they can cook the leached acorn meal into a porridge. It is crazy and multiple steps to get there. Mind blowing stuff.

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[–] Trigger2_2000@sh.itjust.works 14 points 4 days ago

You can eat wheat right out of the head (the top part of the wheat stalk). No processing required (other than threshing it - removing it from the husk).

[–] sepiroth154@feddit.nl 40 points 5 days ago

Chaffing it, and then grinding it and adding water aren't exactly rocket science. Also you didn't have any smartphones to keep you from being bored.

[–] MintyFresh@lemmy.world 19 points 4 days ago

Wheat is a more modern staple than you might imagine. Millet was more widespread than rice or wheat for much of Eurasia.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 25 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (13 children)

This phenomenon is even stronger with (most types of) Maize (excluding sweet corn). It requires heavy processing to be turned into glucose sirup or anything resembling edible food. By default, the grains are extremely durable and very difficult to digest.

But this is essentially what protects it from insects and fungus. Because the grains are so hard to digest by default, they can only be eaten by humans who have the tools to heavily process them before eating; for everyone else it's essentially uninteresting as a food source and that prevents mold and insects.

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[–] gnuplusmatt@reddthat.com 13 points 4 days ago (2 children)

wheat is overrated, I can't even eat it with out shitting myself and eventually developing cancer. Its because my genes are too evolved to eat it or something

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[–] Pat_Riot@lemmy.today 18 points 4 days ago (8 children)

Rice makes terrible bread. Grind me up some more of that fancy grass please.

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