New kind of brain worms just dropped : chapotraphouse

[–] sexywheat@hexbear.net 30 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Honestly, ever since Satanyahoo called Oct 7th "Pissrael's 9/11" and then executed a pre-planned holocaust based on what we now know was an attack that they knew was coming ahead of time (and also helped finance + grow Hamas), I have been much more receptive to this idea.

I always thought that the 9/11 "truthers" were cranks that did occasionally bring up some good points about questionable things that happened, but never really took them seriously.

Now I'm not so sure. Maybe they were just pointing the finger in the wrong direction.

[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Most of the truther stuff is nonsense based on their lack of understanding of physics, architecture, and engineering. The reason the towers "looked like a controlled demolition" (for example) is because skyscrapers are designed to collapse inward and down. Otherwise, they'd go sideways into other buildings. Who then crash into other buildings. And now the whole city is in ruins because these giant-ass buildings were large dominoes.

The Loose Change goons tried citing this as irrefutable proof, then called Popular Mechanics a yellow journalism magazine when they did their issue on how 9/11 happened.

Now, whether or not the Bush administration knew about it beforehand and let it happen is another story. Or that the hijackers were from countries not Iraq or Afghanistan. Or Cheney leaving the country on a flight to Saudi Arabia that afternoon when every flight was canceled and every other politician was being moved to secure locations. These are things 9/11 truthers don't really mention other than to say the Bush administration planted explosives in the towers or all the passengers were crisis actors.

IMO they're still Alex Jones adjacent. Like yeah, Alex Jones is partially correct in profits being made every time there's a school shooting. His conclusions, however, and his reasons for those conclusions are flat-out wrong and reactionary.

[–] piccolo@hexbear.net 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Listen to TrueAnon's episodes on 9/11. They do a very good job going over the background of the people involved, then cover the actual day of, plus all of its oddities. Disclaimer: they're conspiracy-pilled, but honestly I can totally understand where they're coming from.

At the very least, it's a little bit odd that the PATRIOT act was pushed through right after the attack, and in fact was so long that no one had time to read it fully before voting on it. They were either saving it for a rainy day, or... something else.

https://soundcloud.com/trueanonpod/911-week-bush-did-911-part-1
https://soundcloud.com/trueanonpod/911-week-bush-did-911-part-2
https://soundcloud.com/trueanonpod/911-week-bush-did-911-part-3
https://soundcloud.com/trueanonpod/bush-did-911-part-4
there's a 5th one that's paywalled on their patreon but if you go to kemono.cr you definitely can't find full episodes from many patreon podcasts...

[–] spectre@hexbear.net 10 points 1 week ago

Ep 5: https://t.me/blackepsteinfeed/744

[–] WokePalpatine@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Netanyahu hasn't been funding hamas. All the sources for that that I've read are other zionazis accusing Netanyahu of funding hamas as baseless accusations because he pays off Qatar for their complicity in Israel's crimes.

[–] InexplicableLunchFiend@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Hamas very early on did take payments from Israel. This was while the PLO still existed. That situation has long since changed of course. Hamas has become the legitimate ruling party and decolonial force over time, partially due to PLO's betrayal/defeat during the Oslo accords where they gave up everything for nothing. Now Fatah is the PA we all know and hate, while Hamas is the legitimate party of the masses.

[–] BanMeFromPosting@hexbear.net 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

That's a pretty old can of worms tbh. It was started because of the whole "dancing Israelis" thing where a bunch of (alleged I think) Mossad agents were seen celebrating in NYC during 9/11.
They get rounded up, but are then let go for some reason that I don't recall, but it was suspicious.

Edit: Natopedia, so be aware it's not really tje best for this kind of stuff

[–] InexplicableLunchFiend@hexbear.net 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This actually happened and isn't an anti-semitic conspiracy by the way, despite what nay-sayers claimed for years

[–] BanMeFromPosting@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah it's kinda crazy. But so is the whole "truthers are deranged" thing. There's so much suspicious shit related to 9/11 and if you question it you're a crank.
"Bush did 9/11" is just a meme... Like with jfk

[–] InexplicableLunchFiend@hexbear.net 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm a moderate on 9/11 truth. One tower was a controlled demolition by Israel. The other tower was actually hit by Al Qaeda hijackers and brought down by the planes.

[–] BanMeFromPosting@hexbear.net 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And pentagon was hit by a hologram theory-gary

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 14 points 1 week ago

The pentagon just does that sometimes.

[–] hellinkilla@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So thinking the mossad people who are assigned such a consequential job have such poor discipline that they will publicly break out into dance immediately upon completion.

Idk I find it more believable that Israelis with no personal involvement in the situation would immediately understand the likely influx of resources and power such an event would represent. Or that they were dancing for their own unrelated reasons and just not caring about what was going on around them.

As to being let go I don't think dancing is illegal even if other people are in a bad mood.

[–] BanMeFromPosting@hexbear.net 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So thinking the mossad people who are assigned such a consequential job have such poor discipline that they will publicly break out into dance immediately upon completion.

Seems pretty fitting with the standard Israeli SOP. Also wouldn't surprise me that agents would be that bad, kinda seems like par for the course when it comes to western intelligence agencies. They're full of hubris.

I'm not saying they were agents. I am saying that this event is what was the catalyst for the "Israel did 9/11" theories

[–] hellinkilla@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It reminds me of the story about how after RFK was assassinated the "woman in the polka dot dress" who was there to trigger Sirhan Sirhan's mind control programing (actually it was the polka dot dress that was the trigger, "why would else would anyone wear a polka dot dress to a political event?" As i once heard an "expert" explain) ran out of the building and did a fist pump and said "Yes! Got him!" In front of a bunch of people. Lol sending your most heat score people on high profile jobs.

I feel like if I spent a day on it I could spin up a much more convincing argument than some Israelis were on a different vibe that day.

Honestly I can see the point that even though 9/11 is a day of practically religious significance to Americans, and it is impossible to even contemplate other reactions other than the hegemonic one, other people could just be on their own shit. In the screenshot you added above the persons explanation is basically "I'm a psycho raised in a fascist society that requires perpetual war so I think that's normal and good. it causes me joy to see other people experience the kind of trauma that will make them susceptible to engaging in the world as I do so we can all work towards a more overtly fascist society." Sounds perfectly plausible to me.

[–] BanMeFromPosting@hexbear.net 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I feel like if I spent a day on it I could spin up a much more convincing argument than some Israelis were on a different vibe that day.

This idea that these conspiracies are spurious and ridiculous (sorry if that's not what you're insinuating) honestly strike me as the result of psyops. Looking into the many things the United States "deep state" (whatever you want to call the alphabet agencies) have admitted to, makes me incredibly more likely to believe these theories.

I urge you to listen to the trueanon episodes about 9/11. I don't have good edutainment about rfk, but this video is pretty good for JFK.

[–] hellinkilla@hexbear.net 4 points 1 week ago

Ya I have heard those. That's probably how I ended up hearing the "why would anybody ever wear a polka dot dress to a political event?!" part of the idea. (Don't think it was on true anon itself.)

I do think the idea that a few people dancing indicates that they personally orchestrated the whole thing to be spurious and ridiculous. Whereas it is very plausibly a spontaneous expression of fascistic joy at the suffering of others.

If people acting on behalf of the state of Israel were involved in planning 9/11, why were they in NY at the time, just hanging out in a van? All the coordination was complete by then. You'd have your people in the institutions ready to go to move things along as required but what exactly was the hypothesized role of these guys? If they were sent to film (for ?? reasons) it you'd think getting out unnoticed would be a primary part of the mission and needlessly making a spectacle of themselves would be contrary to that.

Israel and the US have a long history of espionage and this concept makes it sound like some total amateur hour. I don't think the complex project management required could have been carried out by such dufuses. No reason to connect these people with 9/11 other than some intrinsic israeliness.

It neither supports nor refutes any other hypothesis of israeli involvement. But just like characterizing a polka dot dress as obvious evidence of hypnotic mind control, casts doubt on the logical thinking of anyone who advances it, and makes me less likely to believe anything else they say.

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[–] krolden@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago

https://streamable.com/e/o5mp25

[–] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Old spreading anew

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks_advance-knowledge_conspiracy_theories#Israel

[–] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

the FBI arrested five Israelis who had been filming the smoking skyline from the roof of a white van

one of them, Oded Ellner, subsequently stated that “[...] Our purpose was to document the event”.

Phew, glad that's cleared up

[–] Commie_Chameleon@hexbear.net 2 points 1 week ago

Well damn I learned something today!

[–] piccolo@hexbear.net 11 points 1 week ago

My "Isn't it weird that questioning any of the numerous oddities surrounding 9/11 or asking about who stood to gain from the attack gets you permanently labeled a conspiracy-brained nutjob?" t-shirt has people asking a lot of questions already raised by my shirt

[–] Midnight_Pearl@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago

yeah this is an old one

[–] hellinkilla@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago

I heard somewhere that George Bush was going to do something to significantly reduce US funding of Israel on Sept 12. But I don't know how true that is.

[–] culpritus@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

mossad did nine eleven

All 4 words together calculate to the numerology number 193, which is reduced to the numerology number 4.

The numerology number 4 is a conscientious number with a focus on long-term security.

The numerology number 4 is a number of focus — a focus on building a secure foundation for the future. It can be a lot of work. 4 is adequately equipped for the work with its ability to focus on the details of the steps required to reach specific goals. The number 4 is conscientious. It may be blunt when asked for opinions regarding the execution of current projects or the feasibility of new projects. The number 4 does see the details and responds according to how it perceives things. When you want something accomplished, give it to a 4 to do.

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spoiler

This was just a curiosity, numerology is quite silly in my humble opinion.

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Most numerology stuff I see pertains to conspiracy theories. Wouldn't the meta for numerology be to find a way to get to the number 4? Because that description you gave of 4...

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[–] CrawlMarks@hexbear.net 6 points 1 week ago

A known CIA asset did 9/11 which was a plot the US had for a while. We know this because tom clancy wrote a book about it. And at least by the end of his career it looks like natsec dismiss would brag to him about their plots so he would write a book glorifying their work. It was an episode of X-files. Isreal did 9-11 is a standard smokescreen we use by blaming things on insreal that we want people to lose the thread on.

Now, if thr fomer cia asset that protected by the US did the mission under cia direction or not is hard to say. I doubt people in cia the know for sure

[–] KoloradoKoolAid75@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 week ago

At least it didn't say "🧃 did 9/11" or anything antisemitic like that.

[–] la_tasalana_intissari_mata@hexbear.net 3 points 1 week ago

they made a porsche car?

[–] Homer_Simpson@hexbear.net 3 points 1 week ago

I did 9/11

Chapotraphouse