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Holy fuck Twitter is basically 4chan now
It's actually at a point where I think it's better not to call it twitter because continuing to do so continues to give it credit for what it used to be when it absolutely is not twitter anymore. It is X, Musk's fascist shithole. I sincerely think it's more beneficial to just call it that and allow the fascist associations to be appropriately placed. The Twitter brand continues to hold associations people previously believed about it.
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LMAO. The MSE script is making this shit so much better.
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Interesting point. I kind of like still calling it Twitter, though, to highlight that it wasn't always full of overt fascism.
Yeah I get that. I just think the twitter brand continues to be viewed by people with some element of positivity and as a "friendly" brand. Refusal to move on from it continues to keep those emotional influences. If we move on, we can make X recognised as the fascist hellhole it is. Twitter is dead, fascism killed it and animated its corpse as X.
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the guy who runs twitter literally believes in great replacement of whites by the jews and throws sieg heils. Not sure why this would surprise anybody.
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The demons in the show are white colonizers
Seriously i thought that was the obvious part. The demons are an an allegory for fascists if we were to say they represented any people at all.
When your allegory for fascists is a core pillar of fascist ideology (the ontologically evil race that can be righteously exterminated), your message is going to get muddled.
Yeah i think thats the issue with giving demons human forms here. If the demons were just talking non humanoid monsters or shapeshifters or explicitly nonhuman constructs it wouldnt be such a shit analogy.
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ANOTHER FRIEREN 500 COMMENT STRUGGLE SESSION LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
We will surely build the communist revolution by analyzing Frieren, the anime, and having all “leftists” who enjoyed/hated/ignored Frieren conduct public self crit of their enjoyment/hatred/indifference, and banishing all who agree/disagree/neutral on this issue
90+ comment thread of anime slop in /c/slop
Man. I hate this struggle session.
It is blatantly obvious that the demons in Frieren are more socially complex than being animals that imitate emotion just to deceive humans.
They have incredible pride in their abilities, they have huge egos, they make mistakes because their emotions cause them to do stupid shit like when Lugner chooses not to kill Fern in order to gloat and get some revenge for earlier on.
They are absolutely not emotionless beings or mere animals or whatever.
They do however have a completely different moral interpretation of the world, they only see humans as food, they can't really sympathise or emotionally connect with humans. With that said they also don't really emotionally connect with each other.
My take is that they lack an ability to care for creatures, they lack empathy, they lack the ability we have to emotionally connect with each other and creatures. This is essential to forming bonds.
It is this inability that causes them to have an entirely different moral framework to humanity.
Theory: Perhaps in the long long long term they are capable of creating bonds, it's just very difficult and takes a huge amount of time. If that is true, which would be in-keeping with a lot of the other themes of the show, then I actually think what the author is going for is that Frieren and the demons aren't very different. Frieren has been incapable of forming bonds with other creatures for most of her life, she chooses to be pleasant to others but consistently shows a clear and obvious inability to really emotionally connect with them, only through Himmel's death did she truly first experience this connection, and now in her current journey through the motherly/sisterly relationship she's built with Fern.
If I were the author, I would eventually go ahead and build on this. Frieren's lack of emotions is not all that different. The strange moral framework of other elves is also another issue entirely.
Also as a sidenote, if demons are now being slaughtered by humans then natural selection would produce demons who survive this by actively avoiding any contact and conflict with humans. If we skip ahead a couple hundred years this would manifest. I think it is inevitable that this would change into cooperation - the most effective survival strategy socially.
Almost everything that we know about the universe is from in-universe sources. Flamme is not a reliable narrator. Frieren is not a reliable narrator. They only know what they know, what they have experienced, it doesn't mean that they're correct.
I think a lot of discussion around Frieren is coming from people who view everything as a commentary on politics and society, when Frieren and it's creators are really just interested in making a derivative commentary on Fantasy tropes.
The show doesn't call them "animal-like", but "beast-like" - it draws a spectrum from "dumb" monsters to those who practice mimicry to the Demons who have internalized human speech. Many of the other monsters in the show are clearly more intelligent than ordinary animals as well. And I've seen many people who comment on the show fail to mention that ordinary animals, too, can have complex social structures and dynamics.
And all that being said, the manga isn't done being written yet, and I think it's clear (and feel free to I-told-you-so me in five years or w/e if this isn't the case) that they're building up to the reveal that Frieren is wrong, the Demons can be reformed.
And all that being said, the manga isn't done being written yet, and I think it's clear (and feel free to I-told-you-so me in five years or w/e if this isn't the case) that they're building up to the reveal that Frieren is wrong, the Demons can be reformed.
Yes I do hope so. Too much of the show is too wholesome for a whole lessons of time thing to not be extended to this too.
Most of the show is demonstrating how past ideas can change and improve. It would be a significant blindspot not to include it.
Eventually I suspect it'll be a "Flamme worked this out a thousand years ago but knew nobody was ready for it so she planted the seed to bring about that change when someone would finally be ready"
That or it'll be a "Actually people a thousand years ago had pretty shitty ideas about the future" reveal, but I think Flamme has been built up too much as a prescient genius among geniuses of her time to then go and shit on her later. It's certainly one way it could be taken though.
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tv show made in reactionary society has reactionary politics baked in even when the author is trying to do something else, more at 11
I get that its problematic, but it feels like such a small part compared to all the themes around loss, love, moving on, and aging that I still enjoyed watching everything that's out.
Apparently the bioessentialism will be stronger in the future parts of the anime? Idrk though.
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Frieren is such a good show with an amazing premise, but also has a fucking horrible pro-eugenics narrative.
Not as bad as your average Disney film about the inherently dangerous people being accepted by the innately good people, but still messed up.
All anime has this shit. Post-war Japanese culture is basically Imperial Japanese reactionary brainworms combined with American/capitalist imported brain worms. I am yet to find basically any anime that isn't contaminated by reactionary tropes, misogyny, SA (the "lucky tumble" trope), racism, pedophilia, bio-essentialism, fascist fantasies (obsession with strength, harems, world domination, innate superiority), etc. It's deeply embedded in anime culture. Even shows like Frieren that "defy tropes" still fall into them. Even critically acclaimed anime popular in the west has this shit in it, like Berserk and NGE. It's why people used to be ashamed to publicly admit they watched it, because anyone who wasn't in the anime-cult who watched an anime used to be immediately disgusted by these things. It's not a good sign that enjoying these fascist fantasies has become normalized in the west, it's a sign that these pedophilic and fascist brainworms are much more widespread than even before, or at least that publicly admitting you are a pedophile-adjacent reactionary has become much more acceptable.
Miyazaki films are the one exception I can think of, and that's because Miyazaki is basically a communist who hates reactionary Japanese and Anime culture.
There is also One Piece, which has its own problematic elements, but doing blood libels isn't part of them. Pretty anti imperialist overall. Situation again of a guy that thinks communists are really cool though.
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JFC. This shit does belong in slop. I am tired of this stupid discussion, we already had a discussion about this already.
"i swear officer the young child in my basement is actually a demon it tricked me"
-this dude, probably
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I remember getting into so many arguments on 
trying to explain why this shit was problematic only for 
to down vote me and being spammed with their miserable bot with the same message about frieren over and over again. Shit is so not worth it, especially when the devil may cry Netflix came out and the dog whistle became a bullhorn I just couldn't take white people and their comfort slop.
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Fucking Frieren again, of course.
I know there's an idea of "contest every space, fight for what's ours, don't let the nazis have anything fun" but we should just let them have Frieren and not try to salvage anything from that story. This is so disgusting.
Yeah Frieren traffics in so many fascist tropes that I don't think there's any point in trying to reclaim it.
"This story about a diverse, female-led cast of characters with themes of valuing human connections, leaving a positive impact on others, and generally abhorring and devaluing violence is secretly fascist, because its villains are the remnants of an empire of ontologically fascist conquering monsters which is presented in a way that lines up with fantasy literature cliches."
Didn't we literally just have one of these threads about Frieren a few weeks ago? How is "someone has a bad take about Frieren" now just a regular struggle session?
Because people keep jumping down the throats of anyone who points out that Frieren does traffic so heavily in fascist tropes that some of us actually felt too uncomfortable with it to bother consuming more of it. Better to ask, "why do people keep starting struggle sessions with people for being bothered by bioessentislist ontological evil as a fantasy trope?"
I am less interested in fantasy as a genre nowadays because this shit was getting old 20 years ago.
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Countries should ban Xitter and treat it as a misanthropic terrorism.
Personally I was really enjoying Frieren due to some of the themes of lifespan, memory, and connection that almost coded Frieren as autistic, but, once it strayed into the demon stuff it left a pretty sour taste. Whenever you stray into the absolutes of good/evil dichotomy, you've lost any grasp of reason or self control.
As soon as the demons appear, and then later the shonen school arc begins, Frieren collapses from something special and unique back into lukewarm anime slop.
Dungeon meshi is superior
Ironically enough, the only demon in this situation are crakkkers. Free block list at least.
A while back I saw a christian youtuber try to argue that we need stories that depict pure, absolute evil (like Frieren... or DOOM 2016, lol) because that's how we learn to deal with devils and demons.
We have that in Avatar, and the chuds all hated it because the face of absolute evil was the face of the American military. They all cried about "nuance" and how there's "no plot" because to them water running downhill isn't interesting, they're waiting for the "swerve" and it never comes. They are waiting for their fable to impart the wisdom that "nothing can ever change for the better" that normally comes from Hollywood, and it never comes. Which forces them to confront that they are the baddies, which they cannot do, so they make up the myth that there's "no plot" because the actual plot cannot be internalized by them.
https://redsails.org/the-swerve/
I should put a disclaimer that the Avatar series is problematic for many other reasons, but the lack of swerve and full on imperialist invaders are evil morality are not the problems with them, instead it's incredibly refreshing. The issues are more the tokenization of indigenous cultures, the noble savage issue, the white savior issue, the James Cameron "if the indigenous just fought harder they could have won" paternalist messaging. It's bad in a much more complex way than the other more fascist stuff, it's more correct to describe them as Western leftist in their ideology.
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Welp, turns out I’m not in the right headspace for safe slop consumption right now. 
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