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That’s like one month of US health insurance next year. Way more than worth it over being at the whims of some fuckhead corporation
I guess Delta thinks their employees are complete fucking morons.
Given Delta hired them and saw their education level, they’re probably right.
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It cost them 700, not you. You will gain from an Union
It costs you 700 now and it costs them an unknown amount in the future. They just don't like it because they suspect it'll be quite a lot more than the 700 that you're paying to join. They're right too.
But union dues are annoying in the moment, because when it happens all you see is a reduction in your pay and initially no change in working conditions. That's why they have posters like that up, because even though intellectually people understand that being in a union will long-term result in better pay, in the short term it does effectively result in a temporary pay cut, which can be hard if you're already not really very well paid.
If you're joining an established union sometimes they will be smart and not charge members until they've renegotiated their salaries. But that only happens if you're joining a already formed union.
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No it'll cost you, it comes out of your after tax wage. But it's an investment into you and your colleagues futures for better wages, stronger protections and benefits.
The protections are key here. I'd take a slightly lower wage for a healthy work environment any day, and I know that most people agree.
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Remember, if your company is telling you how great something is, it is great for them, not you.
Right, if you ever see an poster or video anywhere, consider that the message was something someone felt was worth spending money on. And if it was a business, why would a business spend money unless it could somehow benefit its bottom line?
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Haha my Union Dues... 240/yr.
Pay in the five years before the union....no increase. 20 years of union, pay up 100%.
Scumbags. What the hell is this 'murkin propaganda? It's like the whole country is unironically trying to become the Sith.
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My union dues are about 800 a year, we'd be lucky to make only 10,000 less a year without the union, and have way less protections. Joining a union is one of the best investments you can make.
Two questions:
- Is this for real?
- Does it work?
I feel like a large company going to that kind of effort to explicitly tell me to not spend money on something would have the exact opposite effect. It’s not like they’re saying “unions are bad, actually” it just like “this thing you were going to spend money on, maybe don’t?”
Imagine a poster saying “Drugs are really expensive - you’ll get more value for money if you buy videogames” - would that work?
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Classic misdirection: compare dues to a toy instead of the extra pay, healthcare, and protections.
This is why corporate America wants our population uneducated and tuned out and hooked on AI slop and distractions.
"Explain."
"Money can be exchanged for goods and services."
"Woohoo!"
When I worked at Best buy over 10 years ago they had the exact same propaganda. You know instead of union dues you could buy an Xbox! (From us no less!)
...okay I added that last bit but it was implied
Explain how.
It’s a complicated concept but higher wages means you make more money.
Many years ago I had to explain to a coworker how progressive taxation works. He was like "that's a great idea! We should do that! It's stupid that now your pay goes up but you take home less because you get taxed more"
I had to tell him, yes it is a good idea. It's how it works now. You don't get more pay and suddenly your whole income is taxed more.
He'd had no idea
I’ve literally heard coworkers mention the whole “I actually don’t want a raise because my taxes would go up and I’d make less” bullshit before. I do what I can to redirect them when I hear it, but some people are extremely dug into their worldview and don’t want to be helped. Like acknowledging a progressive tax rate would require acknowledging that their entire concept of income and taxation is built on a lie.
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Higher whatsit? Huh? What are your taking about? These words don't normally go together I don't understand.
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Delta knows their audience. Many pilots lean Republican and see themselves as rugged individualists that have made their own path. Meanwhile, the only reason they're flying in many cases are socially funded training programs. Many from the military.
In Australia, Union fees are tax deductible.
They don't cost you anything in the end.
Thats not how tax deductions work.
That just means you’re not paying taxes on the income. It’s not like you get the entire $700 back in taxes, because your tax rate probably isn’t 100%. If you pay 30% in taxes, (no clue what you actually pay), writing off the $700 would simply mean you pay $210 less on your taxes.
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Tape the meme onto the poster
Union fees are also 100% tax deductible in Australia, so it's all a win-win.
This is a meme community, so it's time to get serious!
This happened around 6 or 7 years ago. The company in question only has two work groups that are unionized -- Pilots and Dispatchers. Mechanics, Flight Attendants, Ground Service, etc. are not unionized.
Flight Attendants have attempted to unionize many times, but the vote always fails.
The poster included in this post was for Ramp workers -- the people who load baggage, marshal the planes into the gate, fill the potable water, etc. That vote ultimately failed, but these posters were only a small reason why. In my opinion, the biggest reason that other work groups don't want to unionize (they absolutely can, nothing is stopping them) is profit sharing.
Years ago the pilot union negotiated an extremely excellent profit sharing agreement, and it was negotiated for pilots only. Depending on the amount of profit for the year, employees can expect 10%-%20 of their yearly income paid in a lump sum. The company in question is typically very profitable (I can already see the "profit should be illegal" type of comments coming, but please spare me. I'm just trying to explain how it works).
Over time, other work groups started to catch wind of how much profit sharing pilots were getting. Naturally this sparked talk of unionizing in other work groups, so in order to calm things down the company extended the same profit sharing to all workers, not just the pilots.
This sort of reversed the desire to unionize for a lot of people (I disagree with them, but this is their thinking)... Now if the ramp personnel do unionize, they'd have to negotiate their own profit sharing as they would be excluded from the company wide payout. That's not to say they couldn't negotiate to keep the profit sharing, but the fear is real and people don't want to lose the big fat checks that come almost every year.
In summary, the workers aren't unionized but the company pays a lot of money to them to keep it that way. Would they be better off long term if they unionized? Yes, of course. But this poster, as ridiculous as it is, is not the only reason that work groups aren't voting in unions.
Here's a link to the AFA page talking about it a little bit https://deltaafa.org/news/profit-sharing-2025
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