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[–] Civility@hexbear.net 57 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

The real news is that NYT is reporting on it.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 33 points 2 weeks ago
[–] moss_icon@hexbear.net 23 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Even the EU has criticised Zelenskyy for jailing his political opposition. Something about a broken clock I guess.

[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 11 points 2 weeks ago

Which opposition are they mad about him jailing? Was it a general who wasn't gung-ho enough?

[–] BeanisBrain@hexbear.net 23 points 2 weeks ago

They're getting ready for the "dump" part of "pump and dump"

[–] corvidenjoyer@hexbear.net 48 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (8 children)

Holy shit the comment section. They're soo fucking mad. xi-lib-tears

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 38 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] VILenin@hexbear.net 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

The libs are finally turning on the rabid propagandists - for insufficient rabidness (rabidity?)

[–] FortifiedAttack@hexbear.net 4 points 2 weeks ago

Well the ""independent"" media has put a lot of effort into brainwashing these people over the last 4 years; undoing all that mental conditioning is gonna take some time.

But their minds have proven to be nothing if not malleable, so I'm sure they'll get there in time.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 38 points 2 weeks ago

libs are having a really hard time of late 🤣

[–] hello_hello@hexbear.net 32 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

We are still in the denial stage of the grieving process after 3 years of protracted war.

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 31 points 2 weeks ago

These people are literally born yesterday lol, and even that's generous.

[–] WokePalpatine@hexbear.net 23 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It's so hard to tell how many are bots and how many are people easily influenced by bots. It's so fucking annoying talking to Ukraine-libs.

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 19 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It's so hard to tell how many are bots and how many are people easily influenced by bots.

TBH I barely have more respect for the opinions of Ukkkraine-pilled libs than I do for LLMs (none at all, machines are not people so I don't respect them).

[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 21 points 2 weeks ago

You weren't kidding. They're pissing and shitting themselves the NYT isn't reporting on the much more severe corruption of the P U T I N R E G I M E.

[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Where is the comments section? I can’t find it :/

[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)
[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 6 points 2 weeks ago

Thanks! Yeah lol liberal bloodlust out in full force.

[–] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 10 points 2 weeks ago

very-intelligent Aktually it was a small amount in the overall scheme of hundreds of billions, so it's relatively a good thing!

picard

[–] oscardejarjayes@hexbear.net 44 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Corruption is seen by Ukrainians as one of the biggest obstacles to win this war. Concretely speaking, corruption today in Ukraine means money that could have been used to protect energy infrastructure or fund the army, but which instead vanishes in the pocket of corrupt officials.

Honestly pretty solid reasoning on why even pro-Ukraine people should talk about. The shear amount of corruption, and just how little the EU or US report on it, really makes me wonder whether winning was ever actually important to any of these people.

Lining your own pockets and hurting Russia (at the, sometimes literal, expense of Ukrainians) seems like the much more common motive.

[–] CommCat@hexbear.net 20 points 2 weeks ago

some of that money that should've gone to the Ukrainian War effort, went to buying a golden toilet. Does it get more obscene?

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

But why do they need money? They got their weapons for debt. They can just do a Keynes and employ their people to build what they need to build. Is it just that they weren't importing protection materials like concrete and rebar and stuff?

[–] oscardejarjayes@hexbear.net 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Is corruption really limited to money? They can just as easily steal and sell physical items, and even get those employed people doing labor that doesn't actually support the war effort. You can fit a whole lotta corruption in that bad boy.

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I guess? If you're selling literally weapons, body armor, and shielding from a fucking warzone to somewhere else, I would think corruption would simply not be a forceful enough word to describe that action

[–] oscardejarjayes@hexbear.net 17 points 2 weeks ago

I mean, unfortunately, that's one of the most common kinds of corruption. War is messy, so it's easy for stuff to get "lost". The Western media loves reporting on when it happens in Russia, like with those ERA plates that didn't have any explosive in them.

[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

They don't just have infinite money because they have a lot of weapons from the west. Wars involve a ton of other ongoing expenses, especially when you're being invaded.

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Money isn't real. Sovereign governments can't run out of it. Of course issuing more can cause inflation, but are you gonna tell me that inflation is worse than not having defenses?

[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 4 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I think inflation can cause their society to completely crater without Russia doing anything further, and Zelensky needs to avoid getting couped for completely wiping out what meager savings people have and getting on the bad side of enough of the military.

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Can to just consider what you said here?

It's better that bullets, missiles, and drones kill people and destroy infrastructure than it is for Ukraine to devalue their currency.

Is that really the position you hold?

[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm saying that there's a balance, you can't just arbitrarily let it rip.

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Got it, so how many ukrainians should die in order to prevent a point of inflation?

[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 3 points 2 weeks ago

I'm not talking about "should" anything, and I think controlling inflation is a factor in conducting the war effectively, but I think Zelensky has demonstrated repeatedly and quite explicitly that any amount of Ukrainians dying is acceptable when the alternative is him losing his position and/or the favor of his western masters.

[–] invo_rt@hexbear.net 29 points 2 weeks ago
[–] sodium_nitride@hexbear.net 28 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

To protect their money, the United States and European nations insisted on oversight. They required Ukraine to allow groups of outside experts, known as supervisory boards, to monitor spending, appoint executives and "prevent corruption".

There is another angle to this story. The imperialists have been taking over the functions of the Ukrainian government under the guise of anti-corruption.

Over the past four years, a New York Times investigation found, the Ukrainian government systematically sabotaged that oversight, allowing graft to flourish.

As much as I hate zelensky, I would have done the same thing in his position.

Letting other countries - especially ones you are financially dependant on -this much leeway over your government functions is horrifically stupid. It amazes me that westerner audiences are so brain-dead they cannot see why other countries would have a problem with this "oversight".

[–] sodium_nitride@hexbear.net 23 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

The Energoatom scandal has hamstrung Mr. Zelensky politically and weakened his case for Ukraine to join the European Union and NATO, two institutions wary of adding a member that is dogged by corruption.

In reality, they are trying to pressure the Ukrainian government for more control and concessions.

If it does not clean up corruption, Kyiv also might not receive the hundreds of billions needed to rebuild the country after the war.

This will be one of the copes used after the war to not help rebuild Ukraine.

[–] MaoTheLawn@hexbear.net 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They'll definitely still help 'rebuild' it - that's the main moneymaker. Buy up the land or redevelop it so that you gain a share of it. JPMorgan and BlackRock have had eyes on the rebuild for about 3 years now, and their deals have already been agreed.

[–] sodium_nitride@hexbear.net 13 points 2 weeks ago

They'll rebuild, but they won't 'help'

[–] sodium_nitride@hexbear.net 22 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Ukrenergo’s board is made up of seven people who oversee major projects and executive appointments. The government picks the supervisory board members, but four are foreigners chosen from a shortlist made by the European Union and Western banks.

The majority are foreigners picked by western banks. This shit is as transparent as GLASS.

[–] sodium_nitride@hexbear.net 18 points 2 weeks ago

Let us look at one of the example incidents the NYT talks about. I'm not aware of additional details, I can only comment on the information provided by the article itself.

As Mr. Halushchenko tried to seize control at Ukrenergo, he also pushed a major spending plan at Energoatom. He wanted to buy two old Russian-designed nuclear reactors from Bulgaria. Mr. Halushchenko wanted to move them to a nuclear plant in western Ukraine, bring them back to life and connect them to the energy grid.

Ok, makes sense. Nuclear energy could be useful for powering the country, no?

Western donors and anti-corruption watchdogs immediately criticized the idea. The project, they said, had all the hallmarks of a boondoggle at one of Ukraine’s most notoriously corrupt state-run firms.

Unnamed "donors" and unexplained "hallmarks" of a "boondoggle". Huh.

(I'm not saying that there was no corruption, but the article is written with so much spin it is impossible to use it to determine if there actually was corruption)

An incoming board member, Tim Stone, a British businessman with a background in finance and nuclear energy, said that he had planned to order a review of what he called the “Franken-reactors.”

Opinion dismissed.

Many unrelated paragraphs later >>

The reactor deal is on hold and is not part of the graft investigation.

..... if it isn't even being investigated for graft, what was all this hubbub about?

[–] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 26 points 2 weeks ago
[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 25 points 2 weeks ago
[–] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 24 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

An adviser for Mr. Zelensky declined to comment, saying that the supervisory boards were not the president’s responsibility.

European leaders have privately criticized but reluctantly tolerated Ukrainian corruption for years, reasoning that supporting the fight against Russia’s invasion was paramount. So, even as Ukraine undermined outside oversight, European money kept flowing.

“We do care about good governance, but we have to accept that risk,” said Christian Syse, the special envoy to Ukraine from Norway, one of Kyiv’s top donors. He added: “Because it’s war. Because it’s in our own interest to help Ukraine financially. Because Ukraine is defending Europe from Russian attacks.

I'd argue the rot goes further up the Euro train than just ukkkraine .

They knew about it. Let it slide for "reasons" - they were never under threat from Russia.

DaBiden and hunter were openly corrupt about ukkkraine energy companies and then premptively pardons his whole family on whatever illegal shit they did going back to curiously 2014, year of the "fuck the EU" Maidan coup.

Hunter Biden's job at Burisma "awkward" for U.S. anticorruption policy in Ukraine  <<-- and that is from a ukkkraine rag that started posting in english in 2014 and stopped in 2021.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 2 weeks ago

I wonder if a lot of the dirt on western corruption will start coming out once the regime collapses. It's almost certain they have detailed records of how top people in the west were deeply involved in the whole thing.

[–] Monk3brain3@hexbear.net 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Did anything happen to the Israelis who stole all that money? Neo Nazis dying like dog for disgusting genocidal Zionists is just wild