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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/39883667

cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/6931377

cross-posted from: https://news.abolish.capital/post/11379

Since Israel began bombarding Gaza and starving its population of more than 2 million Palestinians in October 2023, the consensus that the Israeli government is committing genocide has steadily grown to include international and Israeli human rights groups, a United Nations panel, Holocaust scholars, and nearly 40% of Jewish Americans, according to one striking recent survey.

But in 10 words, former US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on Tuesday waved away the findings of respected groups like Amnesty International and renowned experts like Brown University professor Omer Bartov, when she commented on why young Americans are expressing support for Palestinians.

"They were getting their information from social media, particularly TikTok," said Clinton.

Without pointing to any evidence, the former secretary of state said young people in the US are "seeing short-form videos, some of them totally made up, some of them not at all representing what they claim to be showing, and that’s where they get their information" about Israel's attacks on Gaza.

She added that "it’s not just the usual suspects"—without naming who those pro-Palestinian "suspects" are.

"It’s a lot of young Jewish Americans who don’t know the history and don’t understand," she said. "A lot of the challenge is with younger people."

Hillary Clinton blames TikTok and “totally made up” videos for young people’s views on Israel and Palestine.

She says social media influenced “not just the usual suspects” but also “young Jewish Americans who don’t know the history and don’t understand.” https://t.co/rUVXRqK2rK pic.twitter.com/hAwG7Gbhwf
— Prem Thakker (@prem_thakker) December 2, 2025

Her remarks echoed those of former Obama White House speechwriter Sarah Hurwitz, who spoke recently about the challenges Zionists are presented with when they try to defend Israel to young Jewish people who have seen widely available, credible images and news out of Gaza, where Israel has killed more than 70,000 Palestinians and is continuing to restrict humanitarian aid despite a ceasefire deal reached in October.

"Anything that we try to say to them, they’re hearing it through this wall of carnage," Hurwitz lamented last month, drawing condemnation.

Clinton was speaking at an event in New York City for Israel Hayom, the most widely read newspaper in Israel, which is run by billionaire Miriam Adelson, a megadonor to President Donald Trump. Adelson published an editorial in the Jewish Journal in November 2023 saying pro-Palestinian protesters "are dead to us," and her late husband, Republican donor Sheldon Adelson, said in 2014 that the Palestinians are "an invented people."

Jeremy Slevin, a senior adviser to Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), pointed to the irony of Clinton attending an event associated with the Adelsons and then claiming that "the kids are being radicalized by anti-Israel propaganda."

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Clinton has frequently claimed that pro-Palestinian Americans, particularly students who took part in nationwide campus protests last year as they urged the Biden administration to comply with US law and stop funding Israel's attacks on Gaza, are simply misinformed about Palestine and ignorant of history, particularly pointing to the 2000 Camp David Summit hosted by former President Bill Clinton.

The former secretary of state has repeated the claim that the Palestinians were offered a "generous deal" at the meeting and "walked away"—a "myth" that Camp David negotiator Robert Malley has debunked, warning it's been used by Clinton and others to "justify Israel's genocide."

Robert Malley on the myth of “Palestinians walked away” at Camp David (July 2000):

➤ Malley says the popular story pushed since 2000 – that Arafat rejected a “generous offer” – is contradicted by the actual record. Israeli PM Barak sidelined the Palestinians for a year,… pic.twitter.com/3vlf1Rl4qj
— Drop Site (@DropSiteNews) November 28, 2025

"She’s the one getting the history wrong," including at the Israel Hayom event, said Drop Site News on Tuesday.

A number of observers took issue with Clinton's suggestion that anti-Israel sentiment in the US is being driven solely by young people, with Just Security executive editor Adil Haque issuing a "periodic reminder that the biggest shift in attitudes toward Israel and Palestine has been among older Democrats."

In 2022, 43% Democratic voters ages 50 and up had an unfavorable view of Israel. That percentage has risen sharply since Israel began its onslaught in Gaza, with 66% of those voters reporting an unfavorable view in a Pew Research Center poll this year.

Meanwhile, 71% of Democrats ages 49 and under opposed Israel in the same poll, and 62% of them had expressed opposition in 2022, denoting a less extreme shift in opinion.

"Democrats get their news from CNN more than other mainstream sources," said Haque, pointing to the network's recent investigation about Palestinian aid-seekers who were killed by Israeli forces. "If you're a 60-year-old with grandkids and you read or watch CNN's Gaza reporting, you don't need TikTok to know that what's happening is very, very wrong."

Dylan Williams, vice president of government affairs at the Center for International Policy, also suggested Clinton has an inaccurate view of who opposes Israel's ongoing attacks on Palestinians.

"I’m nearly 50. I don’t use TikTok. I listen to NPR 'Morning Edition' and read the Financial Times daily," said Williams. "I’m a lawyer who has worked on Israel-Palestine issues for the last 20 years. The evidence I’ve seen that Israel committed atrocities including genocide in Gaza is overwhelming."

Author Jason Overstreet wondered how Clinton would explain the findings of human rights groups like Amnesty International and Israel-based B'Tselem, which pointed to testimonies by Israeli soldiers and the documented destruction of Gaza's food system when it concluded in a report in July that Israel is committing genocide in the exclave.

"I guess Hillary Clinton also thinks that Amnesty International called what’s happening in Gaza a genocide because they saw some videos on TikTok and just 'did not know history,'" said Overstreet. "Young people’s views on Israel are based on young people knowing that Israel has committed genocide."

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[–] peaceful_world_view@lemmy.world 25 points 3 days ago

Israel is committing Genocide.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 12 points 3 days ago

"Used to be that young people just believed whatever propaganda we fed them! But now they've got actual video evidence of Isreal committing horrifying crimes against humanity and this has somehow convinced their barely formed minds that Isreal are, like, bad or something. Grumble grumble, oh shit my Depends are overflowing again!"

Hey Hillary.

Genocide - the deliberate and systematic destruction of a group of people because of their ethnicity, nationality, religion, or race.

Words have meaning. The state of Israel is committing genocide.

[–] dan1101@lemmy.world 47 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I don't need to ever hear from Hilary again.

I am not a young person and do not ever use TikTok. The reason I think there is a genocide is the sheer preponderance of evidence.

[–] Atomic@sh.itjust.works 13 points 4 days ago

Stop calling it a genocide, it's just a simple case of systematically eradicating a specific group of people. - Hillary Clinton (probably)

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I am not a young person and do not ever use TikTok. The reason I think there is a genocide is the sheer preponderance of evidence.

Same

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[–] Washedupcynic@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 days ago

Israel IS committing genocide. Maybe if Israel doesn't want people to think it's doing genocide, it should stop doing genocide. TikTok ain't got shit to do with it.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 31 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (5 children)

I don't use TikTok. TikTok is garbage.

I believe Israel is committing a genocide because:

  1. People in Gaza tell us so

  2. Senators and House Reps in US Congress tell us so, namely Jewish Bernie Sanders, (though as Genocide is reason for war they can be censured and removed for using the exact word, he has used words like mass starvation, exodus, bombing of tens of thousands up to millions of people majority women and children, etc.)

  3. Pete Hegseth specifically said "Death or Exodus" of Palestinians

  4. Fucking Israel tells us so

She isn't even corrupt at this point she is very clearly senile.

[–] TheHighRoad@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

"Death or Exodus," what a fucking chode. These idiots feel so smart and mystical using words from the bee eye bee ell eeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[–] Dionysus@leminal.space 127 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Just to point out, Israel committing genocide is what makes people think Israel is committing genocide.

[–] SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social 17 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

But... but everything was better when they didn't know about it!

Ban the tok! 😭

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[–] aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 3 days ago

Fuck off you irrelevant old fool.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Bet Israel is paying her a lot for this bad take

[–] herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml 23 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Hilary Clinton is a loser. What she says or thinks is unimportant.

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[–] _lilith@lemmy.world 88 points 5 days ago (2 children)

oh hey look the third most famous person to suck off Bill Clinton

[–] cmbabul@lemmy.world 67 points 5 days ago (1 children)

There is zero evidence or claim she ever blew him

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[–] CaptainBlinky@lemmy.myserv.one 20 points 4 days ago (7 children)

Who gives a fuck what hillary clinton thinks or says. She never deserved anyone's attention in the first place. Her claim to fame: Married to a president.

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[–] Neon_Carnivore@lemmy.zip 57 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Hillary also tried to blame gang violence and school shootings on video games decades ago.

She was wrong then, she's wrong now.

[–] KelvarCherry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 4 days ago (1 children)

People talk a lot about Hillary Clinton infamous "Pokémon Go to the Polls" remark, but she repeatedly suggested banning "violent" video games through her 2015-2016 campaign. That was undoubtedly a factor in GamerGate/ the alt-right shift among mainstream gaming and internet culture at that time. I found out that Hillary held this position from mainstream internet memes.

I don't think the significance of this issue can be understated, given Gen Z's rightward shift in 2024. Feminists are gonna vote Dem, Bible-Thumpers are gonna vote Republican; it's the politically-indifferent population that decide elections.

[–] makeshiftreaper@lemmy.world 19 points 4 days ago (12 children)

People don't know/have forgotten that the Democrats really pushed the moral panic around violent video games and music. Both Joe Liberman (Al Gore's running mate and promenant senator) and Tipper Gore (wife of Al Gore) were leaders in pushing for music/video game censorship

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[–] moderatecentrist@feddit.uk 4 points 3 days ago

I think TikTok is bad. But maybe the reason young Americans condemn Israel is because of Israel's actions (bombing Gaza, starving Gaza, withholding medicines from Gaza, trying to deny Palestinian statehood).

I think Hamas's attack on Israeli civilians in 2023 was not in any way justified. Civilians should not be attacked. But if we're going to say that, then it also means that Palestinian civilians should not be attacked.

[–] foodandart@lemmy.zip 57 points 5 days ago

Uhhh, Hillary is a grasping attention-seeker.. and corrupt.

Am not on tiktok, am not a kid and even I see what is happening in Gaza.

She needs to fuck off and STFU like her husband.

[–] Minimac@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 days ago
[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Hillary championed Universal Healthcare while she was First Lady. Somehow, she did a 180 on that during her subsequent runs for office. That is when I stopped being interested in Hillary.

[–] toast@retrolemmy.com 7 points 4 days ago

Even back in the 90s, her plan was a private sector plan. "Third Way Democrats" wouldn't do anything unless it shoveled money to corporations.

[–] TheHighRoad@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

"Anything that we try to say to them, they’re hearing it through this wall of carnage," Hurwitz lamented

Remind me, who built this wall? I'll wait.

[–] MinorLaceration@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago

She should just Pokemon-Go-fuck-off

[–] mcv@lemmy.zip 29 points 4 days ago

Blame Israel committing genocide for the view that people think Israel is committing genocide.

It's not just young Americans; it's also old Europeans and people from many other countries. It's genocide experts, human rights experts, and basically everybody who opposes genocide, who are all horrified and disgusted by what's been going on.

[–] kikutwo@lemmy.world 26 points 4 days ago

Not the bombing of hospitals and children? Really?

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 24 points 4 days ago

Shut the fuck up, Hilary.

We all know they’re paying you to say that.

We also all see what is happening in Gaza. Stop the fucking gaslighting and excuses. You lost to Trump in part because of this condescension and patronizing.

[–] cmbabul@lemmy.world 30 points 5 days ago

I’m fucking 40, stop calling me a young American, boomers are just ancient and in denial about their mortality

[–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 22 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I don't use tik tok at all and I think that so.....

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[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 16 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I think what blows my mind is what am I missing that all these elite Americans are not? Why do they defend Israel so hard? Is it purely because of religious beliefs or something else?

Money. Israeli money is in every piece of American politics from the military industrial complex to the media. Hell, look at all the colleges that get funding from Israeli connections from the student protests the other year.

[–] ohlaph@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)

They are a surveillance state. I bet they have dirt on a lot of people.

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[–] tym@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago

Who gave the fuckin poors a printing press?!?

[–] nosuchanon@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago

Angry old woman yells at the sky. News at 11.

[–] cygnus@lemmy.ca 26 points 5 days ago

Look, Hillary - you're never going to make me like TikTok, even with glowing endorsements like this!

Hey, if Israel can get away with annihilating cities and civilians then that gives us a free pass to commit extrajudicial killings in international waters. The bar has been moved.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

To be clear, TikTok IS trash and IS an awful source for news.

[–] PeacefulForest@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago (6 children)

So Hilary thinks it’s okay to bomb children, women, hospitals and to murder people by raping them with a knife. Got it.

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[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 23 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (6 children)

Several European countries and Canada have cut off weapon supplies to Israel because of Israeli war crimes.
So are those countries governments and courts watching too much tiktok too?

It's very disappointing how far removed from reality American politicians with only a few exceptions are.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_embargoes_on_Israel_since_2023

Since 7 October 2023, several countries such as Italy, Japan, Spain, Canada, Colombia, the Netherlands and Belgium have ceased the sale of weapons to Israel.

This is yet another example of why many Europeans consider American politicians as extreme, often pandering American exceptionalism or outright denying reality.

[–] KelvarCherry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

It’s very disappointing how far removed from reality American politicians with only a few exceptions are.

They're not ignorant. She's not ignorant. Hillary Clinton was Secretary of State under Obama, and occupying Israel ("America's greatest ally") was brutalizing Palestinians during that administration, too. She absolutely knows what's been going on.

Statements like Hillary Clinton's are meant to make Palestinian support seem infantile to the public, because pro-Israeli folks Know they've lost control of the narrative. Israel and its supporters can't beat the facts, so they're making absurdist claims like these to discredit their opposition. Don't get cocky, though. This is a page exactly out of the Trump campaign's playbook, And it worked for his campaign. Our fight doesn't end until Israel does.

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[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 10 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Nothing to do with the 100,000 dead civilians.

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