Numerous research papers I have studied. Before I started vaping more than 10 years ago.
The base for the juice was very thoroughly studied all the way back to the 50's, and was used to prevent infectious respiratory diseases in kindergartens, and is still used in asthma inhalers, and is also used as stage "smoke". So there are numerous uses of the vaping juice that are all considered perfectly safe.
The nicotine itself is not a carcinogen, so all that remains is the food grade flavors, that are most likely about as safe as the smell of a pot of tea.
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As I mentioned earlier, the bases of the juice have been used since the 50's. And is also used in asthma inhalers. So it is false to claim the long term effect is unknown.
The nicotine is also pretty well known, and is not a major carcinogen. All that remain is the flavor, where there may be minimal risk, but they too are known enough to be good grade, and we'll enough to mass produce and workers working with that every day.
So that part is mostly an argument from ignorance, which is unfortunately what we see regarding vaping about 99% of the time.
Again you call it early smoking, which is false. Vaping is not smoking. And there is no evidence that vaping leads to smoking. The whole gateway drug is a huge mistake that is often repeated but has zero evidence.
even though the technology it depicts is far outdated.
War Games was my first thought when reading this, but it seems like the AI was smarter in the movie than current AI.
As a substitute, it can aid in the process of trying to quit smoking altogether.
Yes I used it myself, where I had failed with several attempts before, I finally succeeded getting rid of tobacco with vaping, and then step the vaping down by mixing ever less nicotine in may vape juice.
Vaping feels cleaner than cigarettes and tastes better when you haven’t smoked before.
I agree, and even as a heavy smoker, when you have vaped for 14 days, a cigarette taste horrible.
It makes it easier to start smoking.
I know what you mean, but I have to correct you there. Vaping is NOT smoking. There's a HUGE difference between inhaling a vapor that has been proven safe, to a degree that it was used to prevent infections in kindergartens in the 50's in USA. The nicotine itself has few detrimental health effects, apart from creating dependency.
Smoke from tobacco on the other hand, contains hundreds of carcinogens, and it is pretty obvious that inhaling smoke is dangerous. While vaping is more like smelling the fragrance of a pot of tea.
Also, I’d argue that putting nicotine in the growing bodies of kids and youngsters isn’t the best idea to begin with,
I absolutely agree, the fact that it creates a dependency, is IMO a good argument for making it illegal for under 18's.
You are not fit to make that decision as a minor. However, it is also my impression that many young people actually do vape without the nicotine.
Also regarding the nicotine in vapes, there are allegedly similar problems with energy drinks, that can also create dependencies. Those should be restricted too IMO. Preferably completely outlawed, or rather limited to be no stronger than a cup of tea.
I know those are frequently confiscated here, but when I vaped, most the equipment was made in China anyway, and the highest quality brands were also from China.
Puff bars are apparently exceedingly popular, but to me it seems like a giant waste, I personally mixed my own juices from pure pharmaceutical quality PG and nicotine, and buying the best vaporizers and tanks from China. But that is next to impossible today, which I suppose is a part of why puff bars have become so popular.
IMO the EU regulation is a bit heavy handed, but I suppose it does prevent extreme use to some extend, personally I'm happy I could use vaping as a means to get rid of my addiction, where several attempts before vaping had failed.
Which makes sense since the base is relatively close to a sugar-alcohol. But that would probably be per gram.
So if you vape 2 ml per day (moderate use), and compare that to drinking 1 beer per day (also moderate use). The beer is 33cl of 4.5% alcohol (vol) = 15ml alcohol in one beer, or 10.5 grams, where 10 grams is 1 standard drink.
So by that measure vaping 2 ml is 1/7th as likely to cause cancer as drinking 1 beer.
I personally stopped vaping a few years ago, after being a heavy smoker for many years. The maximum I ever vaped was less than 5 ml per day as a former heavy smoker.
In EU we have limits on how powerful the vape can be, and how big the tanks can be. So I doubt many of those girls even vape 2ml per day.
Apart from the dependency on nicotine, it is mostly harmless.
Yes the calcium part is outright weird? Regarding B vitamin I think it's some specific B vitamins like B12, definitely not all of them.
I think there may have been some journalistic misunderstanding, because it is mentioned in context with Vegans, while the article also seems to lump the 2 together at times. Which is a problem IMO, because there's a huge difference between Vegetarian that drink milk and eat fish and eggs, and a Vegan that eat zero animal products.
Here it means less than 150g per day. But there is no minimum recommendation AFAIK, probably because most people eat too much.
So optimal amount is a bit murky. It probably also varies depending of what types of meat you eat. It is generally understood that chicken is better for your health than red meat.
Yes I am aware that this is a cultural thing among many people. And responses by people that read the article can seem confusing.
Admittedly I do it myself sometimes, but in this case that regards peoples health, I think a clarification was in place. 😋
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Ah ok I thought fish was included, because I've known some who call themselves vegetarians who eat fish.