*Words, phrases and punctuation rarely used by the average college student – or anyone for that matter (em dash included) – are pervasive. *
Hey, fuck you too >:(
"We did it, Patrick! We made a technological breakthrough!"
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*Words, phrases and punctuation rarely used by the average college student – or anyone for that matter (em dash included) – are pervasive. *
Hey, fuck you too >:(
I use the en dash – often mistaken for an em dash — quite regularly but I think it can be legitimately used to get a hunch, if he then seeks proof via hidden prompt injection and student confessions.
Here's the link to the actual article. I get that you're trying to do users a favour to bypass tracking at the original URL, but the Internet Archive is a Free service that shouldn't be abused for link cleaning as it costs a lot of money to store and serve all this stuff and it's meant as an "archive", not an ad-blocking proxy.
I'm posting this in part because currently clicking that link errors it with a "too many requests" error. Let's try to be a little kinder to the good guys, shall we?
If users wasnt a cleaner/safer/faster browsing experience, I recommend ditching Chrome for Firefox and getting the standard set of extensions: uBlock Origin, Privacy Badger, etc.
Yeah, especially if it’s not paywalled.
It deprives the original source of traffic too, even if it’s Adblock traffic.
Any free service is bound to be exploited to the fullest possible extent. It's the depressing fate of so many internet projects.
Distillation:
Let me tell you why the Trojan horse worked. It is because students do not know what they do not know. My hidden text asked them to write the paper “from a Marxist perspective”. Since the events in the book had little to do with the later development of Marxism, I thought the resulting essay might raise a red flag with students, but it didn’t.
I had at least eight students come to my office to make their case against the allegations, but not a single one of them could explain to me what Marxism is, how it worked as an analytical lens or how it even made its way into their papers they claimed to have written. The most shocking part was that apparently, when ChatGPT read the prompt, it even directly asked if it should include Marxism, and they all said yes. As one student said to me, “I thought it sounded smart.”
I decided to not punish them. All I know how to do is teach, so that’s what I did. I assigned a wonderful essay by Cal Poly professor Patrick Lin that he addressed to his class on the benefits and detriments of AI use. I attached instructions that asked them to read it and reflect. These instructions also had a Trojan horse.
Thirty-six of my AI students completed it. One of them used AI, and the other 12 have been slowly dropping the class. Ultimately, 35 out of 47 isn’t too bad. The responses to the assignment were generally good, and some were deeply reflective.
But a handful said something I found quite sad: “I just wanted to write the best essay I could.” Those students in question, who at least tried to provide some of their own thoughts before mixing them with the generated result, had already written the best essay they could. And I guess that’s why I hate AI in the classroom as much as I do.
Students are afraid to fail, and AI presents itself as a saviour. But what we learn from history is that progress requires failure. It requires reflection. Students are not just undermining their ability to learn, but to someday lead.
The only problem I have with the whole "Don't be afraid to fail" thing, is that so much rides on the grades a student receives it makes it very difficult to not treat every assignment as a highly critical task which must be as close to perfect as possible. I totally agree with this professor and I believe he did the right thing by the students. The problem is the system itself.
Those who are going to outsource their work are likely to always outsource their work or take the path of least resistance. You can't moral lesson or embarrass that away, usually. But the rest of the class seems to have learned a valuable lesson, or at least learned how to cheat better.
Regardless, we need to stop having everything boil down to the grades. There's good reasons grades are important, but there are even more that are detrimental. I don't know the answer, I just know the system is broken. Maybe it's just capitalism that's broken.
I agree, the biggest thing that stood out to me here is that they were afraid to fail. If students were focused on creating the work that appeals to them, rather than just the work that will get the highest grade, think of the creativity that could be explored. Instead student are just focused on saying the "right answers" and dont get to think critically about the material. Sad
The most ironic part of this is, if those kids did understand the basics of Marxism, they'd be able to see this much more clearly.
I dunno... What if a bunch of students got together, seized a data center, then used the AI hardware inside to generate their papers on Marxism?
The Proletarians have nothing to lose except their ~~chains~~ subscriptions!
You pay to go to college. Then essentially do the equivalent of lighting that money on fire by not engaging with the product/services you just purchased.
In America you go to college at 18. It's hard to have perspective. I'm almost 40 and reflecting on how powerful my degree was, because of how it taught me to think.
Even when I had teachers tell me this to my face at 18 I didn't understand it.
Yes and no. You pay for a college to recognize your competency and say it to the world. That’s why so many students use AI
You pay a bad college to recognize your competency.
A good college teaches you how to reach beyond what they teach you.
This. While I do agree that college is largely you proving to others you can learn a lot of something(s) and commit to something(s) in the long run, college can just be a purchased vessel to some.
This method is now increasingly known (there’s even an episode of “The Simpsons” about it) and likely has already run its course as a plausible method for saving oneself from reading and grading AI slop. To be brief, I inserted hidden text into an assignment’s directions that the students couldn’t see but that ChatGPT can.
I received several emails and spoke with a few students who came to my office and were genuinely apologetic. I had a few that tried to fight me on the accusations, too, assuming I flagged them as AI for “well written sentences”. But the Trojan horse did not lie.
lmfao, I hope he failed those kids anyways.
[...] Let me tell you why the Trojan horse worked. It is because students do not know what they do not know. My hidden text asked them to write the paper “from a Marxist perspective”. Since the events in the book had little to do with the later development of Marxism, I thought the resulting essay might raise a red flag with students, but it didn’t.
But did he consider some may just be Lemmy users?
We are anarchists with Leninist tendencies, not Marxists, you imperial dog.
Is joke, I barely know any of these words.
Ah, but then the bibliography and recommended reading sections of the paper would have cleared that up. Fucking tankies love recommending "you should read more theory, comrade." Also, why would paid troll farms in ethiopia be taking classes in person?
Oh my god, you're right. The number of .ml users that "learned their theory from someone else" instead of reading source texts is mind-boggling. To be fair, I don't want to read 150yo texts to inform my own opinions, but moreso because I find them archaic in their reasoning, not because they're dull and pompous (they are).
If you "learned your theory form someone else" you're somebody's goon, not a maxist.
when ChatGPT read the prompt, it even directly asked if it should include Marxism, and they all said yes. As one student said to me, “I thought it sounded smart.”
Yes.
"The professor seems like one of those woke liberals Marxist types he'll love it"
underrated comment.
Is it? It wasn't even 15 minutes old when you commented.
It's still underrated. Should be top.
It wasn't a top level comment. Either way you may like to take a look at the behind the scenes of Lemmy's various sorting options.
It's a novelty in a world of opaque blackbox algorithms.
OP can you please post the actual link too and not just the archive so you don't spam the archiver?
Also, it looks like it's already been taken down. archive.today is less likely to respond to takedown requests