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"what do you mean the compradors at the Palestinian Authority dont care about the people in Gaza?"
The chinese cavalry aint coming to save anyone
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i would at least hope for chinese aa systems just to fuck with seppo air superiority, but apparently china thinks you only should work with rich customers, smh. like jesus christ taiwan announces they get new fighter jets, oh look iran gets a gift from chinese ngo of 50 integrated aa systems. 1000 km missiles to phillipines? hello venezuela, would you like some anti ship missiles. but no, gotta protect your harvard failsons until you get forced to act, like russia. 
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Chinese Cavalry isnt the same since Mao's death
lol mao wasn't doing shit for international socialism since the sino soviet split. "The Cavalry" was the Soviets under Khruschev and Cuba under Fidel. That's it man. That's what we had.
Wasn't Mao arming and providing training for the PLO during the 60s?
A valid counter example that is especially relevant.
DPRK as well.
The DPRK did get involved but won't any longer. Not since the soviet union fell.
I was referring to the DPRK being a part of the "cavalry" along with Cuba and the soviets.
That's what I'm saying. They used to be, but they haven't been since the soviet union fell. Their entire situation is too precarious.
Agreed, they shouldn't rock the boat right now. There's whispers of DPRK arms in Palestine, which is good, but more than that and they'd be in serious trouble. Increased trade with Russia and China has worked out well for them recently, they aren't in a position to put that in risk.
Until the Axis of Resistance take up arms against the PA, all talk about the PA being sellout traitors is just that: talk. You can't say the PA is like Vichy France but not do what the French Resistance did to collaborators working for Vichy France. And it's not like Hamas has any issues liquidating Palestinian traitors like what they're doing with the gangs affiliated with the IOF. It's just these particular group of traitors that Hamas is a lot more careful about.
Hamas is very careful in denouncing the PA. I don't even think I have read a single announcement where they explicitly call the PA traitors. Had they done so, then it's an open declaration of war against the PA because the sentence for treachery in any war is death. Given that Hamas has not taken up arms against the PA, Russia and China have to more or less continue to take these Palestinian compradors seriously. This is why the PA got invited along with every other Palestinian org in that conference hosted by China even though the PA being invited meant the conference was more or less a waste time.
This really just feels like another deflection of criticism towards China’s abdication of international agency by focusing on this vote being a referendum on the PA, which it isn’t.
We can get lost in the political minutiae but the fact is that China is yet again choosing to not do anything, and I think literally everyone can see how this will end: with their inaction biting them in the ass
What is China's official stance on Hamas tho? I never really got the impression that China was sympathetic to Hamas.
As far as statecraft and geopolitics goes, I think all factions are essentially lumped under the banner of Palestine. Hence everyone coming to the table.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Beijing_Declaration
I could be wrong though
Yes, that was the conference I was referring to. China more or less invited every single Palestinian org as a demonstration of a public united front among Palestinian orgs. This is a good thing. It's not China's job or right to pick sides. And it's not like every other org is chummy with one another. For example, DFLP is an org that split from the PFLP. Should we expect China to arbitrate whether the PFLP or DFLP is the org that best represents the interests of Palestinian socialists and communists? Of course not.
Okay, but why does China not have the influence over the major Arab nations that the US has? Where's China's alternative vision here.
At the end of the day, China is simply not interested, or attempts to bring over the major Arab nations have failed. I guess they hope that the US gets stuck in a quagmire in the region and over invests resources while China continues to build its own power. In other words, they've conceded, to some degree, the region to US influence.
I think it boils down to oil; the US needs it, and the major Arab powers are happy to provide as US oil dependence gives them leverage over the US.
China is going all in on renewables and energy independence.
Also China can get a ton of oil from Iran and Russia relatively cheaply.
At the end of the day, China is simply not interested, or attempts to bring over the major Arab nations have failed. I guess they hope that the US gets stuck in a quagmire in the region and over invests resources while China continues to build its own power. In other words, they've conceded, to some degree, the region to US influence.
Does China even have that much presence in West Asia? What's China's connection to West Asia outside of "they trained the PFLP once upon a time" or "they are chummy-ish with the KSA and the UAE?" China mostly focuses on building influence in SEA and Africa. It's how you get the situation where Taiwanese fake embassies barely exist in Africa while there are still a few holdout countries in Latin America that recognizes the ROC over the PRC.
I suspect China also sees West Asia as within Russian and Iranian sphere of influence. It makes more sense for China to help Russia/Iran expand their sphere of influence within West Asia rather than directly influence West Asia themselves.
Does China even have that much presence in West Asia?
They want to build belt and road straight through Iran to Bulgaria. My assumption is that if Israel did not exist then they would also build it straight through to Egypt and North Africa. Israel is the major geographically limiting factor preventing railroad access to Africa.
A rail line from China to Africa would have to go through so many countries that maintaining it would be a diplomatic nightmare.
Also the Gulf of Aden is only 26 km wide and 300m deep at the western end, so a tunnel there isn't out of the question.
I don't see why you think that. China doesn't operate the lines directly, they simply build them. Companies then use them. The country operates them, or private companies within the country where they're constructed.
How do you think the already existing rail lines connecting all the way from France to China currently work?
The current (northern) line to Europe is China - Mongolia - Russia - Belarus - Poland. A line to Africa would need to go through Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia or Jordan and Egypt, and that's excluding Israel. (A line through the Gulf of Aden would be ... Saudi Arabia - Yemen - Djbouti.) You just need one country having a colour revolution to shut the whole thing down.
Does China even have that much presence in West Asia?
https://www.jpost.com/business-and-innovation/article-874132
They'll bend over backwards to provide infrastructure to "israel" even after "israel" blocks their companies from doing business with them for "security purposes"
On government tenders, a process is underway in which investments by Chinese companies are examined by the Foreign Investment Review Committee, which has blocked several investments by Chinese companies in Israel in recent years. However, they have found a back door to enter investments in critical facilities by signing agreements with private companies, such as Dalia.
China Harbor, part of the consortium that won the construction of the two Dalia power plants was previously disqualified from the tender to build a refinery port in Haifa. After Israel Ports Co. took this step "for national security reasons," the Chinese appealed to the courts. Last year, a judge in the Tel Aviv District Court explained that he intended to rule against China Harbor and dismiss the petition that was presented to him. The Chinese company subsequently withdrew the petition to avoid a ruling.
Critical support means calling out China for being pieces of shit here, IMO.
China certainly tried quite a lot with the Saudis, the major Sunni power in the region. They still have influence, but not enough to prevent the Saudis from siding with the United States in the end.
"what do you mean the PA is extremely hated by the Palestinians they help the zionist entity oppress?"
What do you mean the Arab League is led by capitalist == imperialist governments?
Most of which are also hated by their people?
I get that China wants to avoid getting bogged down in foreign conflicts like the USSR but this seems like a massive over correction
Edit: the Americans being fucking lunatics might also have had something to do with it, but I’m still not too sure that this decision by China will end up working out 
I feel like the idea that it is China's job to run in and save everyone is super cynical. It's not their job or responsibility because they are still managing the vestiges and threats of western imperialism themselves. Further, all these criticisms of China's lack of intervention is really insincere by the liberals who try and "call it out." They don't want the west to save Gaza and they damn sure don't want China to do it. They want to point at China and criticize it for doing interventionism should it commit while being smug that they haven't yet. To this kind of person, no matter what China does, it is wrong.
TLDR: this is the west's problem. The west created it. The west fueled it. They can't pawn off the moral responsibility on China.
This type of comment is exactly why I choose to not be active in this site anymore, the essence of why socialism is dead.
Asking for solidarity has been reduced to "forever war" as a cudgel to just crush any sort of reasonable discussion or strategy.
I'll be honest, your style is absolutely pathetic. Have you watched the last 4 years of garbage grifiting pro-China and pro-Russia narratives that the US MIC is washed out? Haven`t you learned by the "experts" that the US can't run a real war for longer than 30 days without running out of ammo and the F-35s apparently are a couple of sorties away from just sponteniously combusting?
Who are you when the same Marxist-Lenist pro-China discourse grifters spent a whole fucking month circle jerking a military paradade, apparently the PLA is so fucking advanced the Trump may well sign the resignation papers right now, forget the supersoldiers landing in Gaza, every US Army general gets chills when he sees the stealth figthers and the hypersonic missiles... Its all true btw, I saw it on a fucking CGTN article.
Something must give, either the online ML communities are completely useless headless chickens following other useless grifters or... we actualy believe at least some of this is true therefore you have no excuse. China is militarily superior in some way that is more than enough to use as leverage for a fight for global socialism.
Yet after experiencing this for 4 years, now these explainers have the audacity to once again pull the smol bean China can't help but finance a genocide and throw away the global working class. We pick the first choice then, we're all clueless headless chickens who know nothing, following grifters who just say "China good" and "China wins doing nothing" when the reality is the US can snap their fingers and send China right back to the stone age.
Look, seriously and without memes now. If you actualy care, you'd know by now that there are dozens of different actions China could have taken, including and specialy the BDS movement which got global support. This is inexcusable and got nothing to do with this silly childish hyperbole "oh but you're so naive you think the PLA can just liberate Gaza", please take your head out of your ass.
Even the smallest anti-Israel actions we demand have been rejected, there is no point using a hyperbole to prove a point. The CPC has proven to be a social fascist party not very different from western left liberals. If this wasn't the case they wouldn't even consider allowing the continuation, let alone proposal of neoliberal reformism in China while pushing happy face imperialism on others. I have wrote extensibly about this, but yeah, I take one day to randomly check HB and I get reminded why ML(the pro-China chauvinist version) is a literal meme.
I wrote a thought out response and unfortunately a misclick ate it and I can't be assed to redo it.
Short points:
I stand firm on what I said, China has no responsibility to fix the issues the west has created. They are not your "white savior" and nothing you've said here even approaches a mildly convincing point to the contrary.
I have seen how unprepared the USA is in regards to sustaining operations which actually makes their decision not to prevent this more strategically sound. Smart of China to let the USA walk itself into another demoralizing and costly quandary. You've made a convincing point that this was a smart decision by them.
Lastly, You've pegged me wrong. I actually think China COULD defeat the USA. I'm saying they have no obligation to at this moment. When the USA is openly telling nations that opposition to this is an "act of war" I think it is unethical for westerners demand that China put over a billion of their citizens lives and livelihoods on the line. It's so juvenile that it in itself is a joke.
And by all means, feel free to be more inactive.
Cuba, Vietnam, North Korea, Angola, and tons of other nascent revolutionary movements would have failed if the USSR, or even China, took that point of view before. It's fine to stand up for what's right and help the local people achieve freedom and sovereignty.
Maybe they're afraid of being another USSR, but it could end up making them alone in a world surrounded by allies and puppets of the West, which isn't a good position to be in either. The USSR failed more because it couldn't strip liberalism from its leadership. If anything, helping these other movements probably helped the USSR survive longer, because they were able to sustain an alternative economy in the world order by trading with these other states that survived and owed their existence to it. When it fell, it set these other states and various communist movements back decades, and has forced many of them to become more liberal to survive.
I think China is now at the level the USSR was at before. They are undoubtedly another super power and being able to fend off the US tariffs has proven that. It's time to actually start using that, because the US and West definitely does and it's made them the strongest hegemon in the world since WW2, and they don't tolerate other hegemons. The earlier they support the states that are resisting US imperialism (like what they're doing by supporting Russia and should be doing with Palestine and Iran) the longer it will be and easier it will be when the US finally attacks China.
Tl;dr: Saying it's the West's responsibility to end this because they started it and "moral responsibility" is naive and dooming the Palestinians to the same fate as the indigenous populations of North America or Australia. International solidarity is the only chance for communists in a neoliberal world. The capitalists have it, we need it, too.
I must repeat: China is not our "white savior" nor should we expect them to be.
If you want to discuss strategy for ultimately defeating the US (which you play with in your reply) then it benefits them to let the USA get bogged down in ground operations in the region once again rather than attempt to prevent it. It isn't a good moral position for them but it is strategically sound.
i think you can criticize an AES state for refusing to be internationalist. it's not just about moral responsibility, it's a bad move too. moreover, their constant collaboration with the zionist entity makes them more than just noninterventionist. it isn't good
I think in a very cynical way it could be an advantageous move for them. Let the USA get bogged down in ground operations in the region again against a highly motivated and experienced guerilla force. Not only that but it has the potential to further demoralize the American public of military adventurism. To say it is a "bad move" is only such in regards to the whining of internet leftists and frankly when push comes to shove for China, internet leftists will not provide them with any strategic advantages.
i guess i didn't say it in my comment but i think i was referring more to the constant collaboration with the zionist entity: the drones and the infrastructure and stuff
sure, and the constant collaboration with with iran and other entities supplying the anti-zionist forces. they simply do not see this the way you do. hell, chinese drone companies are selling parts to both russia and ukraine at the same time from the same factories.
which is disappointing for an AES state, and likely to be a mistake. you don't "let the usa get bogged down" by constantly working with their colonies. russia-ukraine is a whole different thing. israel-palestine is american imperialism at its worst. china isn't gonna bring about the victory of the international proletariat, and they're not gonna ensure their own security, by collaborating with the worst excesses of imperialism there are. i've heard they're trying to stem the flow of drones though, so that's heartening, at least. i hope they have an angle for the infrastructure deals, otherwise they're just strengthening zionism at no benefit to anyone besides capital
why expand diplomatic capital try to score moral victory, when you can subcontract infrastructure development in entity settlements for couple of billions 
oh look, where are these jihadis coming from
I've been seeing this be tweeted about all day but I have no fucking clue what is actually happening or what it is in reference to. a lot of comrades upset with China for something?
Comrades have fallen into a liberal trap once again to blame China for not committing themselves to forever war in order to fix the ongoing hubris of the west. Didn't you know? If China doesn't resolve all our issues then actually they are bad and somehow worse than us for not resolving our own issues for ourselves.
Voting no in the UN = forever war against the west
The values of proletariat internationalism that both Lenin and Stalin pushed for are trully dead in the West
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