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Okay, but why does China not have the influence over the major Arab nations that the US has? Where's China's alternative vision here.
At the end of the day, China is simply not interested, or attempts to bring over the major Arab nations have failed. I guess they hope that the US gets stuck in a quagmire in the region and over invests resources while China continues to build its own power. In other words, they've conceded, to some degree, the region to US influence.
I think it boils down to oil; the US needs it, and the major Arab powers are happy to provide as US oil dependence gives them leverage over the US.
China is going all in on renewables and energy independence.
Also China can get a ton of oil from Iran and Russia relatively cheaply.
Does China even have that much presence in West Asia? What's China's connection to West Asia outside of "they trained the PFLP once upon a time" or "they are chummy-ish with the KSA and the UAE?" China mostly focuses on building influence in SEA and Africa. It's how you get the situation where Taiwanese fake embassies barely exist in Africa while there are still a few holdout countries in Latin America that recognizes the ROC over the PRC.
I suspect China also sees West Asia as within Russian and Iranian sphere of influence. It makes more sense for China to help Russia/Iran expand their sphere of influence within West Asia rather than directly influence West Asia themselves.
They want to build belt and road straight through Iran to Bulgaria. My assumption is that if Israel did not exist then they would also build it straight through to Egypt and North Africa. Israel is the major geographically limiting factor preventing railroad access to Africa.
A rail line from China to Africa would have to go through so many countries that maintaining it would be a diplomatic nightmare.
Also the Gulf of Aden is only 26 km wide and 300m deep at the western end, so a tunnel there isn't out of the question.
I don't see why you think that. China doesn't operate the lines directly, they simply build them. Companies then use them. The country operates them, or private companies within the country where they're constructed.
How do you think the already existing rail lines connecting all the way from France to China currently work?
The current (northern) line to Europe is China - Mongolia - Russia - Belarus - Poland. A line to Africa would need to go through Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia or Jordan and Egypt, and that's excluding Israel. (A line through the Gulf of Aden would be ... Saudi Arabia - Yemen - Djbouti.) You just need one country having a colour revolution to shut the whole thing down.
https://www.jpost.com/business-and-innovation/article-874132
They'll bend over backwards to provide infrastructure to "israel" even after "israel" blocks their companies from doing business with them for "security purposes"
Critical support means calling out China for being pieces of shit here, IMO.
China certainly tried quite a lot with the Saudis, the major Sunni power in the region. They still have influence, but not enough to prevent the Saudis from siding with the United States in the end.