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[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 112 points 1 month ago (6 children)

For those wondering, it’s Ante Meridiem and Post Meridiem. It’s Latin.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 35 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's After Midnight. Of course.

/j

[–] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 26 points 1 month ago (2 children)

After Midnight and Post Morning

[–] gigastasio@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Arctic Monkeys and Post Malone

[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Ass Mongul Prostate Mongul

[–] JayFonduh@lemmy.org 3 points 1 month ago

Anterior Mediocrity

Postus Malones

[–] Duranie@leminal.space 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

In grade school I had the worst time remembering which was which, so I used to tell myself After Midnight and Pre Midnight lol. I absolutely knew it was Latin for something, but could never remember it for the life of me.

[–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I think I just remembered it as A comes before P alphabetically

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm gonna start saying that instead of using the abbreviation. "I'll meet you at 2:30 post merideum."

[–] chemicalprophet@slrpnk.net 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I’m going to continue using the superior 24 hour time format.

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

based and ISO pilled

[–] essell@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

In English I just call her Auntie Miriam.

[–] Bonus@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 month ago

So much better than Aunt Irma

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 month ago
[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 27 points 1 month ago

When he dies will he be renamed as seventhirty'spostmortem?

[–] TheReanuKeeves@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago

But have you seen his brother, Eightfortyfivepremidnight?

[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Weird quirk of English... why do we say "6 o'clock in the morning", "2 o'clock in the afternoon", and "6 o'clock in the evening", but then we say "9 o'clock at night"? It doesnt sound right to say "at morning", "at afternoon", or "at evening". You can say something happened "in the night", but only in a non-specific way, like "she passed in the night". But "I go to work at 11 o'clock in the night" just doesnt work.

[–] ButteryMonkey@piefed.social 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Say those words out loud and notice where your lips and tongue are when you do it.

The transition between “at morning” is more work than saying “in the morning” because of the way your mouth moves; you have to readjust between the consonants. Similarly, saying “in the night” sounds ok, and is used quite a bit in literature, but is more effort because it’s longer, and “in the night” sort of forces you to pause between “the” and “night” to adjust your mouth

I took a linguistics course where my professor presented his “theory of least effort” which basically states that words and phrases with complicated pronunciations, ones where you have to do more work to say the thing, eventually get morphed due to “laziness” in everyday speaking, basically just a lack of proper annunciation. It explains a lot of linguistic evolution, particularly prior to the printing press.

[–] FishFace@piefed.social 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

How on earth is "in the morning" less effort than "at morning"? Doubly so for "afternoon"?

Prepositions in general don't follow regular patterns in English. I would bet on there being, if any explanation, an etymological one: the origin of morning, afternoon, evening and night are all different, so the constructions which have since been contracted away will have been different.

[–] hobovision@mander.xyz 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The sounds IN-TH-MOR progressively close your mouth as you say them. AT-...-MO requires a stop as you convert from open mouth for T and pursed lips for M. AT-NIGHT flows well because mouth and tongue position for the sound for N is almost the same as for the T sound.

[–] FishFace@piefed.social 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The sounds of "in th" can be said without moving any part of the mouth except the tongue, so I have no idea what you mean. Like, you can see them with your teeth touching and holding your lips completely still.

Your argument is completely post hoc to the extent that you're forgetting whatever you were taught about phonology.

And you've skipped the vowel of "the" why, exactly? That's a whole extra syllable in "in the" compared to "at", which is definitely not easier. Your analysis is completely based on the difference between "the m", "the n", "at m" and "at n" but "at the" is grammatical so what about "at the morning"?

[–] hobovision@mander.xyz 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I just telling you why it's easier, since you olaimed it's not (with no argument or justification).

In regular speech the vowel in "the" is just rolled through as a transition into the M sound.

If you think the way you say it isn't easier, then that's cool, but you might want to consider the difference between fully enunciating each word and how people talk in regular speech.

[–] FishFace@piefed.social 1 points 1 month ago

I have never heard anyone fully elide the first vowel sound in "the morning" -it's a schwa. The exception is Yorkshire accents which do so, and indeed, that shows you there is more to elide in "in the" than "at".

"At m" is easier to say simply because it is fewer syllables - inserting more sounds rarely makes things easier to pronounce, and the fact that we say "at midday", "at most" and "at many times" shows that there is no pressure to change these combinations of sounds.

But the whole thing is based on the faulty, unsupported premise that "in the" and "at" are in free variation. You can't just start saying "in the midday" because it is ungrammatical, so if there were pressure to simplify "at most" we'd simplify its pronunciation (maybe to "ab most") not swap preposition.

This is why I'm not giving more of a detailed argument about ease of pronunciation - because it's not even relevant. That's not how language picks prepositions. Like why do we say "I'm in the car" but "I'm on the bus"? I don't know, but I suspect the answer lies in the history of the (Omni)bus, which used to often be open-topped, whereas the (motor)car was generally enclosed since its invention.

To find the answer in the case of morning and night requires tracing the etymology of the words and understanding the grammar used at the time they arose.

[–] redwattlebird@lemmings.world 2 points 1 month ago

'in the evening'

[–] wieson@feddit.org 1 points 1 month ago

At morning is way easier to say.

[–] blockheadjt@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago

Night was originally much harder to schedule things in since sundials didn't work and most people historically had the same sleep schedule, so they treated night like a homogenous block

[–] Bonus@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I use in or at interchangeably for either of those cases, now that you're forcing me to confront the truth

[–] bob_lemon@feddit.org 2 points 1 month ago

German has a similar quirk, though weirdly reversed: "Am Morgen", "Am Nachmittag", "In der Nacht"

It doesn't really come up when taking times though, since we commonly just use "6 Uhr morgens", "3 Uhr nachmittags"*, "12 Uhr nachts", without any preposition and article.

*24h time is also seldom used in casual conversation in Germany

[–] _AutumnMoon_@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 1 month ago (2 children)

ah yes, at morning and past morning

[–] MTK@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

That's stupid, everyone know it's post morning!

It's actually kind of close to right. Another user posted the Latin, but it's basically "before noon" and "after noon", and most would say "before noon" is "morning" and "after noon" is "after morning".

[–] Wilco@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Not everyone knows wtf a Meridiem is.

[–] derry@midwest.social 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's the number in the middle of a set of numbers right? /s

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No, you're thinking of median. The meridiem is a small sum of money you get for a day's expenses, typically from an employer when traveling.

[–] CentauriBeau@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

No, you’re thinking of perdiem. A meridian is actually just a fancy linguistic term for a word that names a part of a whole. Like how a wheel is part of a car.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 7 points 1 month ago

At Morning

Post Morning

[–] Bonus@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 month ago

After Midnight

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago

It stands for amplitude modulation obviously

[–] Randelung@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

I mean

it might as well. As if 12pm makes any sense.

[–] ieatpwns@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago

It might have been a play on words and the acronym:

  • AM
    • hard worker
    • still up
  • at mourning
    • lost a lot of people
[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 3 points 1 month ago

I mean Lil Yachty thought a cello was what Squidward played. Anything is possible in the wonderful world of rap.