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Palantir CEO Says a Surveillance State Is Preferable to China Winning the AI Race (gizmodo.com)

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[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 62 points 1 month ago (3 children)

As a side note, Karp seems to think most people’s concern with surveillance is that they are going to get caught cheating for some reason. For instance, when giving an example of what he thinks is a valid skeptical question to ask about what Palantir is doing, he said, “Is this product being used to take away my right to go have a hot dog with a coworker I’m flirting with while being married? Which, honestly, I think is the god-given right of people in this country.” He later brings this up again, saying that most surveillance technology isn’t determining, “Am I shagging too many people on the side and lying to my partner?” Your guess is as good as any as to what that’s all about.

[–] Horse@lemmygrad.ml 54 points 1 month ago

i think that man is cheating on his spouse

[+] ghosts@hexbear.net 40 points 1 month ago (2 children)

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[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 27 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Damn, we really are back to the aughts. 4chan are some hell of propagandists to eventually make “nothing to hide, nothing to fear” the based, redpilled, “cool” position this time around.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 20 points 1 month ago

It's "We know you've got something to hide but don't worry we promise we're going to keep quiet about it" this time which is the biggest load of bullshit ever lmao who would even believe that, you don't need to do any surveillance if you're not going to use anyone's secrets against them!

[–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 month ago

America is the burger land don't commit treason by sharing hotdogs!!!! Sharing = Communism btw,

[–] carpoftruth@hexbear.net 26 points 1 month ago (1 children)

most people’s concern with surveillance is that they are going to get caught cheating for some reason.

No shit, people don't want to get caught in the ever expanding, baroque nightmare that is the legal system and penal code. It's already inhuman, and the more the reins are in the hands of algorithms, the less human the system gets.

[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 13 points 1 month ago (2 children)

As the statistic goes, the average American commits three felonies per day. Most of them are frivolous and won't be prosecuted. But if the authorities reeeeally want to charge you with something, they'll find something to charge you with. Some examples:

Donating to a charity that has received donations from a "terrorist" organization.
Having a rock in your car/shoe from a national park and accidently taking it with you out of the park.
Using marijuana in a state where it's legal on vacation if you own guns in a state where weed isn't. Each firearm is its own felony.
Using someone's password-protected wifi without their knowledge or explicit permission.
Driving an ATV or dirt bike on federal land.
Touching a bald eagle feather you found on the ground.

....and there's hundreds (if not thousands) more. Abortion bans or HRT/GRS are the most recent examples of things that should be legal and normal, but were made illegal and now technology is being used to convict people.

[–] gay_king_prince_charles@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago

The "three felonies a day" thing isn't a real statistic. It's just the title of a book by Harvey Silverglate and isn't supported by any sort of evidence.

[–] Horse@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

"average am*rican commits three felonies per day" factoid actually just statistical error, average am*rican commits 0 felonies per day, Felonies Georg who lives in capitol hill & commits over 10000 each day, is an outlier adn should not have been counted

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 56 points 1 month ago (2 children)

"We told you China was bad for doing surveillance but we must do it 100x worse or else China will win."

Remember this lie next time they tell you dprk threatens every generation of someone's family in order to keep people in line. It's not that the dprk is doing that, it's that the capitalists are projecting what they've thought about and are willing to do themselves in order to win.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's honestly been incredible to watch how the whole our freedumbs make us different narrative fizzled at the first signs of public discontent in the west.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's happened so fast too, they've very rapidly gone from accusation to demonstrating their own projection. Almost everything they accuse others of concerns me because it's something that's clearly been on their minds.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Absolutely, I honestly expected there would be more public push back in the west just because the whole freeze peach thing has been drilled into people as the core western value. So, all of a sudden people finding out that far worse things are happening in their own societies than anything that's been thrown at China, and they just shrug about it.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I think people don't believe it's a problem until they personally feel it, and the only places they personally feel anything like that are social media online where they get censored or banned or temp banned for a period of time and that all gets blamed on liberalism, the solution to that experience becomes needing more conservatism. The rest they don't really have a personal experience with so it's less real.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 month ago

I very much agree, when something is abstract it's easy to ignore and focus on things that are more immediately relevant to them. Conservatism also has the benefit of neatly fitting with all the tropes people internalize, so it's an easier transition from liberalism than going left.

[–] chgxvjh@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago

In retrospect maybe making fun of people worried about their freedoms to their face was a bad move, when the writing was on the wall (and in the news) that the bourgeois states would come for our freedoms.

[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 45 points 1 month ago (5 children)

For the last 10 years redditors have been screaming about China's "surveillance state" and they won't say a peep about this shit.

[–] BeanisBrain@hexbear.net 28 points 1 month ago

The only thing that can stop a bad guy with a surveillance state is a good guy with a surveillance state

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 26 points 1 month ago

They also love to ignore what the UK has done and what is happening in the usa by private companies and the police rather than being actually regulated

[–] ryepunk@hexbear.net 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Well I'll have you know that the Reddit /technology thread on this same article has a whole 6 top comment chains that are just about saying fuck you to CEO's and billionaires... And then it devolves in some mix of that and sinophobic comments about how sure china sucks but so does Palantir... Before descending into complete China bad and evil for things that someone heard from another guy like down the road, and then others who totally live in China and can confirm they all work 14 hour days for pennies while xi is out there beginning DPRK mark 2, now with Chinese characteristics.

Do not go to Reddit.

[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 12 points 1 month ago

They think it hasn't happened yet

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 1 month ago

it's ok when we do it

[–] fox@hexbear.net 39 points 1 month ago

Guy who sells cars believes everyone should buy a car

[–] halfpipe@hexbear.net 33 points 1 month ago (3 children)

How the fuck is the US going to win the AI race when the electric infrastructure is so old and badly maintained that even running the data centers at full capacity would cause brownouts and spike the cost of electricity to the point that it would become a luxury.

[–] Outdoor_Catgirl@hexbear.net 21 points 1 month ago

Run the data centers, fuck the people.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

they're way ahead of you 🤣 https://research.google/blog/exploring-a-space-based-scalable-ai-infrastructure-system-design/

[–] chgxvjh@hexbear.net 13 points 1 month ago

But when I propose to shoot billionaires into the sun, I'm told to think more economically.

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 9 points 1 month ago

Every day, my “that’s not realistic” idea of just fucking off to Quebec gets countered by “well what choice do you have?”

[–] BadTakesHaver@hexbear.net 29 points 1 month ago

both of those things are gonna happen regardless

[–] Veggie_Deluxe@hexbear.net 29 points 1 month ago (1 children)

palantir ceo should eat my whole ass hole

[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 20 points 1 month ago

Palantir CEO wants to put 3 AI cloud connected cameras in your whole ass hole instead unfortunately

[–] sexywheat@hexbear.net 29 points 1 month ago

Hey look it's the guy that wanted to spray "fentanyl laced urine" on pro-Palestine protesters using drones. I wonder what he has to say.

[–] Carl@hexbear.net 27 points 1 month ago

preferable

both are going to happen

[–] blunder@hexbear.net 24 points 1 month ago

who-did-this

[–] RomCom1989@hexbear.net 21 points 1 month ago

Much like his namesake,this disgusting little man is a scum sucking bottom feeder that damages whatever ecosystem he's introduced in

[–] john_brown@hexbear.net 19 points 1 month ago

illegal-to-say

[–] invo_rt@hexbear.net 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Well, I've got news. You're going to get a US surveillance state AND China is going to win the AI race.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 1 month ago

seems like the most likely scenario

[–] juniper@hexbear.net 18 points 1 month ago

I can't stand this Patrick Bateman-ass motherfucker

[–] NuraShiny@hexbear.net 16 points 1 month ago

If this was a movie, this guy would get murdered for what he is saying, because he is clearly irredeemably evil.

[–] TheAsianDonKnots@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 month ago (3 children)

What does one thing have to do with the other? Can we not have a police state AND work on AI?

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 30 points 1 month ago

Building a police state is literally the purpose of the company though.

[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 1 month ago

Surveillance, military targeting and the idea of replacing workers are the three main pillars of "AI" and why there is so much investment into the technology by Western countries. All three are bad for us as socialists and anti-imperialists.

[–] gay_king_prince_charles@hexbear.net 6 points 1 month ago

At this point, the main bottlenecks in improving models are electricity, chips, and training data. For the first two, you just need to increase production of the two (although that tends to take years). Training data is a little harder to come by. Almost all books, articles, comments, and easily accessible studies have been used for pre-training by the large model creators, and the rate at which models need new information is faster than reputable information is being produced. Articles and comments are no longer good sources for training because they are probably AI generated^[https://graphite.io/five-percent/more-articles-are-now-created-by-ai-than-humans]. However, human conversations are a near limitless source of training data, and there is no risk of model collapse from them. If you have a surveillance state that can record, transcribe, and vectorize all conversations held by individuals, you gain a massive leg up in the AI race.

[–] Philosoraptor@hexbear.net 16 points 1 month ago

It’s hard not to read Karp’s view of his own company as essential—to the government, to the world, to pretty much everyone—which has become something of a theme from AI company executives as of late. And there’s no denying he’s a very dedicated hype man for his company. On CNBC, he called it “one of the greatest businesses in the world,” and said it’s “doing a noble task.” On Axios, he chose a slightly different dialect to express that, calling Palantir “the most baller, interesting company on the planet,” with a “baller product” and “baller culture.”

jesse-wtf

[–] Speaker@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago

The Bonegrinder says grinding the bones of starving children to powder is preferable to China something something.

[–] XxFemboy_Stalin_420_69xX@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago

least racist techbro