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[–] Binturong@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

USA according to tRump: Dead country, dead parties... jeeze, what's next a dead president?!

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 days ago

what's next a dead president?!

I'd be OK with Trump killing that guy.

[–] salacious_coaster@infosec.pub 112 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

Give it a minute. The American general public had at least ten years to get familiar with Trump and what he's about. His plans for this year were not hidden, even a little bit. They voted him in again anyway just a year ago. Now they're acting like this was all an unexpected shock.

All we learned from this week is that Americans are capable of remembering not to put their hand on the hot stove a third time, provided their other hand is still on the same hot stove from the second time.

[–] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 27 points 3 days ago

Our media went to great lengths to hide the bad shit about this pedo and to amplify any and every flaw about Biden/Harris. Even the "left wing media" that the right likes to cry about also did this. And many won't care until it directly affects themselves, and even then only one that specific topic.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The American general public had at least ten years to get familiar with Trump and what he's about.

Far longer than that.

He's been known publicly as a sack of shit since at least the '90s.

[–] treesquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

But then puffed up as a genius business man by The Apprentice. Remember that most people the world over are absolutely rock-stupid and will believe whatever's on TV. "He ripped off everyone he ever did business with and bankrupted every company he ever started" "Whatever, I like the way he says 'You're fired!' He must be great at businessing!"

[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 24 points 3 days ago (5 children)

It's not that the public forgot, but that leadership failed to offer an alternative other than "not Trump". When the Democrats do offer an alternative like Mamdani, people show up. And 80% of those that showed up voted for him, not against the other candidate. Not even Obama accomplished that.

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago

Don't be mistaken, Mandani's win is not America's win, it's NY win. America as a whole is way more stupid and way more evil than that. Hell, even broad democratic voters are worse than that, Bernie lost popular vote on primaries twice afterall.

[–] MourningDove@lemmy.zip 42 points 3 days ago (2 children)

It’s wasn’t “not Trump”. It was NOT FASCISM. That people STILL don’t understand this, while further entrenching themselves within faulty logic bodes poorly for the future.

America will be remembered as a cautionary tale on not leaning from history…

[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 18 points 3 days ago (11 children)

What will the Democratic leadership learn from Mamdani's win?

[–] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 9 points 3 days ago

They've only taken away "charismatic" candidate

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[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Eventually the rest of the world will build a wall around US.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

It was not just "not Trump", it was "not insane", and not threatening to tear down democracy and destroy healthcare and the economy. It was business as usual over sociopathy.
The choice should have been clear. But too many Americans are sociopaths, and chose to really stick it to the minorities until they die. Americans voted for Trump not despite he is a sociopath, but because of it. Americans want revenge for their lousy lives more than they want to improve things for everybody.
The Dems won other places than New York.

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 16 points 3 days ago

It was "not Trump, status quo." Nobody but the rich liked the status quo, but anybody who's not an idiot knew it was MUCH, MUCH BETTER than...well, what we have now.

[–] leadore@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (5 children)

When the Democrats do offer an alternative like Mamdani, people show up.

I'd like to rephrase that to make a point: When progressive voters show up and vote in the primaries for the more progressive candidate, there's more likely to be a more progressive Democratic candidate on the ballot in the general and people will show up for them.

Point is the Democratic Party powers that be did not willingly "offer an alternative like Mamdani". They hated that he was the candidate and tried to get Cuomo elected instead. Mamdani was only "offered" thanks to the voters who showed up and voted for him in the primary.

You're telling me people have to get off their ass and not just bitch online? Cmon now... /s

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[–] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 28 points 3 days ago (2 children)

He killed it. Lindsey Graham was right

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 days ago

The Mierdas Touch.

[–] partofthevoice@lemmy.zip 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)
[–] stringere@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago

Thank you for the citations.

[–] wuffah@lemmy.world 104 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

He’s too narcissistic to even realize the irony that it is his policies, his incompetent appointees, and his apoplectic abuse that is crashing the GOP. It is insane that the meltdown has been this glacially paced.

He’ll be back; we’re in the devaluation phase of the narcissistic abuse cycle. Next, he’ll try to discard the whole party to start his own. When his finds that unworkable, he’ll come slithering back.

Let’s just hope this time most republicans will be too exhausted to continue propagandizing themselves with Trump’s inane double-think.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 23 points 3 days ago

America, the abused house wife, is realizing how abusive their husband is ...... again.

[–] youngGoku@lemmy.world 58 points 3 days ago (7 children)

I don't understand how the working class folks "shifted" to Democratic party.

Haven't the democrats been the working class party all along?

[–] Ledivin@lemmy.world 93 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Citizens United made bribery legal, and the working class has been broken down for decades and forced into poverty.

There is no American "working class" party, because they can't afford to bribe any of the parties. Democrats sorta kinda pretend to care, occasionally, so they are currently wearing the mantle.

[–] thelivefive@startrek.website 21 points 3 days ago

Citizens United made it worse, but we were fucked before then. Lobbying is just legalized bribery. We need to repeal Citizens United but then we need to keep going and rework the whole campaign finance and lobbying systems too.

[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Theoretically. In, practice, not so much, but far more than the Republicans, and that's the problem with the neo-liberal Democrat party.

[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 28 points 3 days ago (11 children)

Working class people tend to be less-educated, live in more rural areas, be a part of less-diverse communities, and be prone to accept authority figures. And the GOP has spent a half-century trying to convince that exact group that every problem they're experiencing is actually the opposite. So they vote against their best interests in election after election, and then the people they voted for successfully convince them that the Democrats actually torpedoed it all and they could've actually made everything better if they just had one more term...rinse and repeat across 25+ election cycles.

[–] Feyd@programming.dev 27 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Working class people tend to be less-educated, live in more rural areas

I think the working class is much broader than that, and part of our problem is this perception.

[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It's definitely getting broader than that, with the way that wealth stratification continues to skyrocket. But I don't mean "actually rural," I really do mean "more rural." A good amount of city real estate prices have priced lower-income folks out of the urban core in many (most?) cities, gentrifying the downtown and resulting in a reversal of 1980s White Flight as the working class move to now-cheaper suburban and rural communities.

I didn't mean just farmers or whatever. I just mean people who haven't got the money to live in the Trader Joe's district.

[–] Feyd@programming.dev 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

People that make enough to "live in the trader Joe's district" but have to keep working at their job to keep living in their apartment have way more in common with people that make less than them than they do the people that don't have to work at all.

[–] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 days ago

We know that, but decades of Republican propaganda has got the small business owners, who get absolutely wrecked by Republican policies, thinking they're on the side of the rich against the employee class.

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[–] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 7 points 3 days ago

Even with W, there was a huge "smart sounding" = coastal elite narrative going with their: he looks like a guy you could have a beer with. Which apparently is more important than not kneecapping your union, demolishing the economy, or starting illegal wars

[–] MrVilliam@sh.itjust.works 19 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I'm terms of policy, yes. But a lot of dipshit blue collar workers believe the propaganda from Fox News and adjacent outlets, and their propaganda says that the republican party is the party of the working class, so a lot of the working class votes republican. These people believe what they're told instead of using critical thinking skills to observe and analyze the actual actions taking place. Some of them are finally starting to wake up, but they'll fall back asleep the moment somebody more palatable than trump rises up and keeps the pain focused on marginalized groups instead of leaking out to hurt rural whites so much and so obviously.

I hope that AI development makes the internet and social media so dogshit that it pushes people to spend less time in online echo chamber spaces and more time in person with actual people face to face. We're radically divided due to algorithms slapping us with culture war bullshit, so we're forgetting that so many of us are united in wanting comfortable homes, affordable food, leisure time and money to enjoy with our families, and peace of mind that we're safe and secure. Crying about trans athletes does nothing for my family, but my father in law being furloughed during this shutdown due to an insistence on taking healthcare away from my sister sure as shit impacts my family.

Of course I don't want people to suffer, but some people will just never see what the fuck is actually happening until it affects them or people close to them. And those of us who already know are just that much more pissed off when these people only just now start to figure it out and cry for help now that it's hurting somebody other than the out group. And it's gonna be extra infuriating when they forget all about the pain they were finally exposed to and turn around and vote for it all over again. Mark my words, trump is not the last fascist these people will have sold their decency to support. They will forget where it got them within weeks.

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[–] aseriesoftubes@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Not since at least the Clinton years. The US doesn’t have a mainstream working class party.

[–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Hasn't been one in the anglosphere in general for a long time. The NDP is the closest but they've given up their working class cred years ago. And labor, well, if Blair didn't convince you they were a lost cause Starmer will. I'm not familiar enough with auspol but I'd imagine the trend holds.

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[–] Feyd@programming.dev 7 points 3 days ago

Haven’t the democrats been the working class party all along?

Relatively speaking, at least...

He's falling into our Cardiac Trap. 🤫

[–] BigMacHole@sopuli.xyz 23 points 3 days ago (1 children)

NOT true! As long as they CONTINUE Firing Millions of American Workers while Kidnapping Children, Raising GROCERY prices, ELIMINATING Air Travel, raising Healthcare Premiums and PROTECTING Rich Child Rapists America will WELCOME the Republicans with open arms in the Midterms! The TIMING is what was Wrong NOT the Policies!

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It’s a well known fact that the party in power usually suffers losses during midterms. So it’s great that DEMs are winning. But it isn’t over by any stretch. Gotta keep fighting.

[–] curbstickle@anarchist.nexus 15 points 3 days ago (5 children)

These weren't midterms, they were an off-year election. The midterms will be next year.

They are usually low turnout, but saw a historic turnout in NY and NJ, not sure about the others offhand.

Off-years you do not typically see this kind of sweeping response, its absolutely atypical.

I'm not suggesting its time to stop, but clarifying that this is not the norm.

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[–] spongebue@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago

Hmmm, wonder who killed it

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