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[–] tornavish@lemmy.cafe 88 points 5 months ago (4 children)

The student's mother was sentenced to nearly four years in prison for child neglect and federal weapons charges.

You are responsible for your child. Until they are 18, they are an extension of you. You programmed them. No excuses.

[–] manxu@piefed.social 46 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I sense that "child neglect" and "federal weapons" chargess mean there was at least one gun fast and loose and loaded in the house. That sounds like a powder keg waiting to explode in any case.

[–] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 23 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Yeah; a 6 year old will play with anything they get their hands on, you sure as hell don't leave a gun where they can get it. Especially with ammunition available...

[–] Zak@lemmy.world 30 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The Wikipedia article about this case suggests the kid knew what the gun was. He threatened to shoot another student, and probably shot the teacher intentionally. This isn't just a case of a kid randomly playing with a gun.

Of course he's not criminally responsible for that because he's six, but he probably needs an intensive intervention to make sure he doesn't turn into a monster.

[–] Goretantath@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago

Yeah, those parents def fucked them up bad..

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[–] lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You mean they don't sell loaded guns to 6-year-olds? America: land of the free. 😞

It's 2025 and people still think age discrimination is ok

[–] ryven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 35 points 5 months ago (4 children)

This doesn't jive with my life experience at all. If my family could have "programmed" me, I would have turned out very differently. Also all my siblings are wildly different people.

The development of living beings is a messy process and there are significant uncontrollable elements.

[–] SoloCritical@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Is leaving your gun lying around where a 6 year old can acquire and use it to shoot someone one of those sinifificant uncontrollable elements?

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 9 points 5 months ago

No, because the existence of some uncontrollable elements doesn’t erase all the controllable elements.

This woman did something very wrong and controllable, which is why she’s in prison.

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[–] tornavish@lemmy.cafe 3 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Nothing fits into a perfect box, but if you breed you are responsible for the outcome until 18 regardless. If you think your kid might shoot someone… it’s your job to prevent that.

Not everyone is qualified to be a parent.

[–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

“Breed”

Getting a clearer picture now.

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[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Nobody knows how parenthood will turn out, my friend. Nobody is qualified to decide who is qualified... Good.

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[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

A six year old is very unlikely to fully grasp what they are doing, and a parent wouldn’t necessarily “think their kid might shoot someone”.

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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 2 points 5 months ago

Sure but neglected child is always going to turn out worse than one that was properly loved and taken care of. You can't just go oh well child psychology is complicated, so let's just ignore the parents responsibilities.

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[–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago (4 children)

“You programmed them”?

Really? That’s an extremely naive take.

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[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

If it was her gun (which it was), yeah this makes sense. If the gun was instead found in a trash can or something? idk its a wild world.

[–] tornavish@lemmy.cafe 3 points 5 months ago (3 children)

If one is to reach for the most unlikely thing to happen to base their opinion on, then I suppose that you have a point.

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 months ago (5 children)

If you want to be pedantic, I suppose “got the gun from another kid” is more reasonable?

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[–] Sunflier@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

If the gun was instead found in a trash can or something?

That's what a jurry would consider after both sides have made their case.

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[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 52 points 5 months ago (7 children)

Ah America. Where a six year old can access firearms but not a lunch program.

[–] Brutticus@midwest.social 17 points 5 months ago

Are you gonna tell a kid with a gun you aren't going to give him lunch?

[–] Hugin@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

That's our school lunch program. Here is a gun, go kill something and eat it.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Gun companies need to be able to sell their products to anyone without any liability for arming crazy people.

[–] MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

No matter how many people are on either side of the issue, gun manufacturers always win.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 months ago

And all gun violence is OK as long as there is a payout to someone.

[–] beejboytyson@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

Man, that's fucked up

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[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 43 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

It also outlined how one instance in which Ms Zwerner allegedly told Ms Parker that the child was in a "violent mood" and had made threats against another child.

Ms Parker allegedly "had no response" and refused to "even look up" when concerns about the child were brought to her.

Ms Parker's lawyer argued that she could not have known what would happen, and that Ms Zwerner has exaggerated the extent of her injuries.

Could not have known? Despite being told the child was making threats to other students?

And exaggerated the extent of her injuries? She was fucking shot by a 6 yo. What’s to exaggerate?

[–] half_fiction@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 5 months ago

That's not even close to the worst part. After Zwerner reported his "violent mood," two other teachers reported to Parker that students were telling them he had a gun... The first searched his backpack and turned up nothing but believed it could have been on his person (they saw him tuck something under his sweatshirt.) Parker's response was that his pockets were too small to hold a gun. Second teacher had another student report he had flashed them the gun in his pocket. Second teacher wanted to search him, but Parker forbade him because the first teacher had already searched his backpack.

That's pretty fucking bad...

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Good on her. I hope she puts that money to good use. Teachers usually have a good head on their shoulders, from my experience.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Depends on the school. Some teachers shouldn't be allowed anywhere near children

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