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The rule of growth (i.imgur.com)

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I’d like to thank the admins for being so open and direct about the issues that they’re facing.

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[-] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 1 year ago

I laughed :)

[-] supakaity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 year ago

Oh goodness, why is this so funny? lol.

blobhaj, ani, hearts, animated

[-] unlawfulbooger@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 year ago

Yay!

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[-] thelastknowngod@lemm.ee 88 points 1 year ago

To be fair, with a proper autoscaling scheme in place these services should scale down significantly when not in use.

That being said, a big reason for using AWS/GCP is all the additional services that are available on the platform.. If the workload being run isn't that complicated, the hyperscalers are probably overkill. Even DO or Linode would be a better option under those circumstances.

[-] Overmind@lemmy.sdf.org 64 points 1 year ago

This. AWS architect here. There are a lot of ways to reduce pricing in AWS like horizontal scaling, serverless functions, reserved instances. Most people aren't aware of it and if you're going to dive in head first into something like cloud, you'll need to bear the consequences and then learn eventually.

[-] greyscale@lemmy.sdf.org 24 points 1 year ago

Even with ASGs, ec2 costs a bomb for performance.

And "serverless" functions are a trap.

If you're gonna commit to reserved instances, just buy hardware for goodness sake, its a 3 year commitment with a huge upfront spend.

[-] rolaulten@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

You can do one year dedicated spend.

But yes. Serverless is a trap to be avoided.

[-] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago

Mark my words the loop is coming back around. I look forward to when my work migrates the datacenter off AWS back on prem because of ballooning costs.

You work in IT long enough you see it for the joke it is. We get paid obscene amounts of money to do what amounts to nothing.

[-] msage@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago

Just because rotating managers always come with the 'new current thing everyone is doing'.

Like no, 99% of companies can just do what they've always done. No need to rebuild everything from scratch.

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[-] masterspace@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

And “serverless” functions are a trap.

How are serverless functions a trap? They seem like a great cheap option for simple CRUD / client > server > db apps (what most apps end up being).

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[-] thelastknowngod@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago

Yep. And if you want to really save some cash and don't mind getting a little crazy, use an EKS node orchestrator that supports spot instances. I'm starting to do a serious dive into Harness at the moment actually.

Google recently released a white paper on cost saving in kubernetes as well.

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[-] Toribor@corndog.social 4 points 1 year ago

I'm in a similar boat. I'm a sysadmin supporting a legacy application running on AWS EC2 instances and a new 'serverless' microservice based platform as well. It's really really hard to scale and optimize anything running on EC2s unless you really know what you're doing or the application is designed with clustering in mind.

You tend to end up sizing instances based on peak load and then wasting capacity 90% of the time (and burning through cash like crazy). I can imagine a lot of Lemmy admins are overspending so fast they give up before they figure it out.

[-] Dasnap@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Nowadays I feel like EC2 is either used for legacy support or testing. Most prod nowadays should probably be built with some kind of container solution so you can scale it easier.

[-] penguin@sh.itjust.works 27 points 1 year ago

AWS is perfect for large operations that value stability and elasticity over anything else.

It's very easy to just spin up a thousand extra servers for momentary demand or some new exciting project. It's also easy to locate multiple instances all over the world for low latency with your users.

If you know you're going to need a couple servers for years and have the hardware knowhow, then it's cheaper to do it yourself for sure.

It's also possible to use aws more efficiently if you know all of their services. I ran a small utils website for my friends and I on it a while ago and it was essentially free since the static files were tiny and on s3 and the backend was lambda which gives you quite a few free calls before charging.

[-] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 14 points 1 year ago

Habit (guess). Its what is used professionally, despite being proven over and over that cost-per-speed is terrible compared to less known providers.

[-] masterspace@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago

If the average Web engineer's salary capable of running a site like this is ~$180,000, then a $30,000 difference in cost is only about 2 months salary. Learning and dealing with a new hosting environment can easily exceed that.

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[-] virtualbriefcase@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

That, and like others mentioned their flexibility, plus the fact that they're fairly reliable (maybe less than some good Iaas providers but a fair bit more than your consumer vps places). Moments ago I went to the hetzner site to check them out and got:

Status Code 504 Gateway Timeout

The upstream server failed to send a request in the time allowed by the server. If you are the Administrator of the Upstream, check your server logs for errors.

Annoying if it's you nextloud instance down for a minutes, but a worthy trade off if you're paying 1/4 of the price. Extremely costly for big business or even risking peoples's lives for a few different very important systems.

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[-] Oha@feddit.de 12 points 1 year ago

Hetzner ftw

[-] jessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 year ago

Hetzner is one of the most cost effective but I recommend always checking serverhunter before choosing

[-] c1177johuk@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

AWS is mostly only useful for large companies who need one hosting provider for all their needs, with every single product tightly integrated into other products

[-] Gork@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Hmm like SAP, but less sucky

[-] CertifiedBlackGuy@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Holy fuck SAP sucks ass

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[-] hawkwind@lemmy.management 3 points 1 year ago

The pricing scheme here is designed to gouge businesses for equal or more than the traditional non-cloud equivalent. Which happens to be completely unaffordable. Imagine buying a new enterprise grade server for your home setup.

[-] ryannathans@lemmy.fmhy.net 3 points 1 year ago

The only advantage would come if you could rewrite lemmy to be serverless

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[-] Merlin@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Can you point the everyone else? Just out of curiosity. I know there’s digital ocean but I’m not quite sure they’re cheaper than azure/aws

[-] jessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 year ago

For the past 5 years i just check server hunter and get the specs I want: https://www.serverhunter.com

Before that, my preferred 'everyone else' was OVH.

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[-] MooseBoys@lemmy.world 70 points 1 year ago

Figure 1: Human discovers that hosting a web service for hundreds of thousands of users is expensive.

[-] pimeys@lemmy.nauk.io 33 points 1 year ago

Hetzner crowd says hi!

[-] wtry@lemm.ee 26 points 1 year ago

I host mine on my home wifi

[-] showmustgo@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

I'm in your walls

[-] wtry@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

I thought that was a rat colony

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[-] filister@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Why don't you migrate to cheaper providers like Hetzner? I mean AWS is extremely expensive for what they are and I am pretty sure there are hundreds of people out here who will willingly help you set it up.