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I don't know if this is 100% strictly privacy related but I think it does fall in the sphere of protecting one's right to express oneself privately.

"Government officials have drawn up deeply controversial proposals to broaden the definition of extremism to include anyone who “undermines” the country’s institutions and its values, according to documents seen by the Observer.

The new definition, prepared by civil servants working for cabinet minister Michael Gove, is fiercely opposed by a cohort of officials who fear legitimate groups and individuals will be branded extremists.

The proposals have provoked a furious response from civil rights groups with some warning it risks “criminalising dissent”, and would significantly suppress freedom of expression."

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[-] netchami@sh.itjust.works 149 points 1 year ago

Why is the UK turning into a fucking dictatorship

[-] nodsocket@lemmy.world 70 points 1 year ago

It's incredible how many people think the UK is better than the US when it clearly is not.

[-] arymandias@feddit.de 62 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Not having healthcare is kind of a big deal. It’s easy for us Europeans to forget the implications, but for a significant portion of the US populous, if they get sick they’ll either go bankrupt or they’ll simply just die. Which is insane.

[-] sadreality@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago

to be fair... they won't die from an acute injury... they will die slowly from chronic conditions while being sucked dried for everything they got.

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[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 38 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"Better than the US" is a bit too unspecific to judge. If you mean for privacy, the UK is certainly on the bad end of things.

[-] Phanatik@kbin.social 25 points 1 year ago

This is one I'd say is comparing apples to oranges. They each are good and bad in different ways. The unfortunate thing is that our current government wants the UK to be more like the US which will be a net negative to everyone in the UK. For example, they've been gutting the NHS for years to pave the way for a privatised hellscape.

[-] Igloojoe@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

I dont care to compare. I dont need to lord over people on whose country is turning more shit. Just do what you can to stop this current worldwide rise in fascism. VOTE (if you can).

[-] Not_mikey@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

It's not as if the u.s. doesn't have anti-bds laws. Also if the conservatives/Republicans were in power in the u.s. like in the u.k. they definitely would be trying something similar to this

[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 7 points 1 year ago

These things are multifaceted.

Privacy? Hell no.

Healthcare? Absolutely (though trending the wrong direction)

Public transport? Better, though again heading the wrong way.

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[-] ShadowRam@kbin.social 30 points 1 year ago

UK has always been slowly moving towards 1984.

They shear amount of CCTV is extremely unsettling for foreigners visiting.

[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 year ago
[-] netchami@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago

Damn. It's always those stupid conservatives who ruin everything on this planet

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[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Having lived in various countries in Europe including over a decade in the UK, my theory is three fold:

  • It already started with a system were power is dynastic (not just because of the monarchy and an unelected 2nd chamber were many members inherit their position but also because it has a well-entrenched system of private schools which tie to elite universites and from there to political, media, corporate and judiciary to positions) were there used to be some level of noblesse oblige (the duty of the upper classes toward "their lessers") which is now completelly gone: the UK copied the "everybody for themselves" spirit from the US (but not the "go getter spirit") into a system which was already incredibly stratified into classes and riddled with priviledge, so it basically ended up just being used by the rich scions of the rich to tell themselves their wealth is due to personal merit and from which it "logically" follows that the poverty of the poor is due to them being lazy and the rest of of the population should just do as they're told by such clearly superior people.
  • Starting in the Thatcher years the Press in the UK was bough by a handfull of very rich people who don't pay tax in the UK, most noteably Murdoch. That fully privatised and Press whose ownership was then heavilly concentrated, was then used for propagand purposes, pushing anything and everything to make the power of the state subservient to the power of money, mainly by removal of regulation and lowering of effective corporate taxes and taxes for the wealthy (though the UK already had unique legal frameworks to allow the very wealthy to avoid all tax, most noteably the Non-Resident Tax Status) as well as views such as the above mentioned one that poverty is caused by laziness and being wealthy comes from merit.
  • Being a de facto Two Party System due to a First Past The Post representative allocation system that makes it extremelly hard for a third option to rise to power (and on the rare occasions when they get close - about once every half a century - they're quickly "put back in their place"), the extreme right in the UK, rather than try and gain power through the popular vote (as you see, for example in The Netherlands, where they float around the 15% mark) were they would require millions of votes to get power, have instead just infiltrated one of the power duopoly parties and thus only needed about 50k votes to take power (by outvoting other factions inside that party to elect their people as leaders). Once they dominated the Tory party, the First Past The Post system makes it extremelly hard to dislodge the party even though it has massivelly changed, and you even get effects like the other mainstream party of the Party Duopoly shifting its policies more towards the agenda that's being set by the far right now in power.
[-] tetris11@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago

Murdoch is the main driving force. He got Tony Blair in, and after the Leveson Inquiry where the ethics of the press was called into question and found wanting, absolutely nothing was done (under Cameron).

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[-] Powerpoint@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago

Conservatism is fascism in a trench coat

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[-] EpicFailGuy@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Monarchy, dictatorship ... potato patato

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[-] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 114 points 1 year ago

1984 was supposed to be a warning, not a fucking manual.

[-] privacybro@lemmy.ninja 22 points 1 year ago

Lol fr. It's like they watched all the movies and books about dystopia and thought, "okay, this looks good, let's do this"

Even the wording and grammar sounds like they are doing a 1984 parody

[-] Krauerking@lemy.lol 9 points 1 year ago

Honestly a lot of things today seem like funhouse mirrors of scifi dystopias. There is something to be asked of chicken or the egg with our similarities. Did the writers just think about how we would eventually end up and just got slightly wrong with the details or did someone with terrible social skills and a fucked up hyper focused head think it was a good idea and aimed to make it reality.

It happens all the time with items from Star Trek. Literally engineers wanting to make the gadgets they saw and even Meta pulls it's name from a dystopia novel that Zuck thinks is neat instead of horrifying.

So do we put forth ideas only to normalize them and make them true? Do thoughts become reality whether good or bad? Or do people have the ability to extrapolate where we are heading through guess work and random chance with enough time and effort?

Because I'm horrified if twilight becomes real... Oh God is it already real?? Has anyone been to Utah lately?!

[-] EpicFailGuy@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

don't forget to practice your double think

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[-] dotslashme@infosec.pub 71 points 1 year ago

The day after the 5th of November. Nothing bad ever happens when you suppress the freedom of speech and the right to protest.

[-] far_university1990@feddit.de 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
Remember, remember!
The fifth of November,
The Gunpowder treason and plot;
I know of no reason
Why the Gunpowder treason
Should ever be forgot!
Guy Fawkes and his companions
Did the scheme contrive,
To blow the King and Parliament
All up alive.
Threescore barrels, laid below,
To prove old England's overthrow.
But, by God's providence, him they catch,
With a dark lantern, lighting a match!
A stick and a stake
For King James's sake!
If you won't give me one,
I'll take two,
The better for me,
And the worse for you.
A rope, a rope, to hang the Pope,
A penn'orth of cheese to choke him,
A pint of beer to wash it down,
And a jolly good fire to burn him.
Holloa, boys! holloa, boys! make the bells ring!
Holloa, boys! holloa boys! God save the King!
Hip, hip, hooor-r-r-ray!
[-] NotAPenguin@kbin.social 60 points 1 year ago

Climate protests are probably gonna be illegal in many places soon.. :(

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[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 51 points 1 year ago

broaden the definition of extremism to include anyone who “undermines” the country’s institutions and its values

Guess I'm an extremist 🤷‍♂️

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[-] Facebones@reddthat.com 44 points 1 year ago

"You're no longer allowed to be upset at your government and if you are you'll be met with violence"

people use violence

"They just love violence nobody said they were upset!"

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 40 points 1 year ago
[-] this@sh.itjust.works 32 points 1 year ago

Are we in the V for vendetta timeline now?

[-] EpicFailGuy@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago
[-] this@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 year ago

The 5th of November...oh shit that was yesterday.

[-] Murdoc@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago

Yeah, almost seems like a bit too much of a coincidence to me...

[-] spudwart@spudwart.com 28 points 1 year ago
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[-] bappity@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

holy shit let me out of here

[-] clara@feddit.uk 19 points 1 year ago

if you're serious, then here's two places i recommend to make a start on that train of thought

https://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org should clue you in on which "advanced economies" might skew towards the life factors that interest you

and https://www.hofstede-insights.com/country-comparison-tool might help you narrow down which of these will be a better cultural fit

i'm aware there's a lot of subjectivity in these two links but, it could help you make a start.

many people are great at saying "get me out of here" online, but not many people follow up that thought, and ask themselves "but where to?"

be one of those who answers the second question. start working on your escape today! 💪

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[-] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Just leave. I did it in 2018. They can't force you to stay in this shithole.

[-] spudwart@spudwart.com 13 points 1 year ago

They can’t force you to stay in this shithole.

Not yet, you mean.

[-] 520@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I also left, for me in 2021.

Life really is better if you can get out. The process is no walk in the park but it is a temporary pain.

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[-] rekabis@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 year ago

Wow. This is two shakes short of full-blown Fascism.

[-] SimonSaysStuff@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Sweet Jesus, it really is time to bail. Any recommendations on where to go? I'm hearing the weather is much better in France and Spain.

Is Scotland on board with this dictatorship malarky or are they fighting it? I didn't see them kick up a fuss about the online safety bill which made it to law, which makes me think they aren't fighting it.

[-] Weslee@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Yeah but how do we leave without a crap ton of money to buy our citizenship in another country?

I was considering moving to Scotland if they vote to leave the UK and rejoin the EU

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[-] ivanafterall@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

Macron in France has seemingly had similar fascist quivers running down his leg.

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[-] Mr_Blott@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

For those that don't know, look at Michael Gove -

And remember that wimpy kid from your school who was horribly, horribly bullied

Then think about what a fuckin psychopath they'd be now if they were in a position of power

[-] ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 1 year ago

Whoever thought 1984 would become a documentary - and V for Vendetta a possible solution.

[-] ivanafterall@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago

I mean, George Orwell wasn't exactly optimistic about the future outlook.

‘If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face – for ever.’

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I want off Mr Gove's wild ride.

[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 6 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Government officials have drawn up deeply controversial proposals to broaden the definition of extremism to include anyone who “undermines” the country’s institutions and its values, according to documents seen by the Observer.

The new definition, prepared by civil servants working for cabinet minister Michael Gove, is fiercely opposed by a cohort of officials who fear legitimate groups and individuals will be branded extremists.

Last week the home secretary, Suella Braverman, described pro-Palestinian demonstrations in London as “hate marches”, prompting dismay from many participants who consider themselves peace campaigners.

Martin Bright, editor-at-large, Index on Censorship, added: “This is an unwarranted attack on freedom of expression and would potentially criminalise every student radical and revolutionary dissident.

The government’s 2011 Prevent strategy defined extremism as the “active opposition to fundamental British values, including democracy, the rule of law, individual liberty and the mutual respect and tolerance of different faiths and beliefs”.

Under the proposed definition in the documents, extremism would be the promotion of any ideology which aims to “overturn or undermine the UK’s democracy, its institutions and values; or threaten the rights of individuals or create a permissive environment for radicalisation, hate crime and terrorism”.


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