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[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 58 points 6 months ago (13 children)

my favorite part of all of this is all the liberal whinging about places like China really hinges on the belief that you have free speech here but not there and now we're all gonna get locked up for social media posts and shit. wow if I'm gonna have the authoritarianism it'd be nice to have the pro worker policy and constant improvement to society!

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[–] dadarobot@lemmy.sdf.org 56 points 6 months ago (2 children)
  • extremism on migration,

  • extremism on race,

  • extremism on gender

they gonna lock maga up?

[–] dead@hexbear.net 52 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I'm certain that the document is referring to people who are anti-ICE, anti-racism, and anti-sexism/pro-LGBT. In the mind of the reactionary, extremism means going against their beliefs.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 20 points 6 months ago

It says anti-capitalist and anti-trad fam so yes.

[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 49 points 6 months ago (3 children)

You don't want to put migrants into concentration camps?

That's prison.

You don't want to reinstitute slavery?

That's prison.

You think trans people are human beings?

That's prison.

[–] prole@hexbear.net 43 points 6 months ago (1 children)

My pronouns are now patriot and christian

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[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 43 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Kind of looking like all signs are pointing to Trump being the american fascist with this. I know Norman Finkelstein disagrees because he claims there's no left in the USA, and while I partially agree, like there's no mass working class movement, I can't see this as anything but a pre-emptive strike on any fomenting movements.

[–] Leegh@hexbear.net 43 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Finkelstein did not account for the fact that fascists always manufacture an opposition to justify itself regardless of whether there is an organized left domestically. Usually this means targeting a minority, or a perceived foreign threat.

[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 32 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I think Finkelstein's thing isn't that fascists need a real opposition to justify themselves, but that the militancy of fascism as a historical trend stems from defending capitalism from militant socialists/unionists/etc., and therefore is completely senseless for the ruling class to allow if it's not actually fighting something. Obviously there are things like military dictatorships that have existed when the left was non-existent or just a bunch of libs.

[–] PorkrollPosadist@hexbear.net 19 points 6 months ago

It does not matter if there is an organized opposition. The only thing that matters is that Capitalism (in the case of the US, total world domination) is suffering set-backs. The cause of these set-backs does not matter. Even if they are completely self-inflicted, a price must be paid in blood.

[–] MayoPete@hexbear.net 23 points 6 months ago (3 children)

So are we gonna sit back and let it happen, or are we going to organize and fight before history repeats itself?

[–] nefertum@hexbear.net 24 points 6 months ago (1 children)

As an outsider I'd be shocked if Americans did anything

[–] MayoPete@hexbear.net 12 points 6 months ago

Yeah but I would like to stay alive.

Trying to stay positive...

Can't let these shits win

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[–] glimmer_twin@hexbear.net 23 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I don’t think trump is gonna live long enough to really establish the burger reich. Although there’s plenty of ghouls happy to take his place.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 15 points 6 months ago

I don't think the issuing party's vacation of office, in any form, vacates the directives?

[–] Lenins_Sabocat@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 6 months ago

There's a giant quiet left across the pond.

[–] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 42 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

anti-Christian

Good; show him the videos of Israelis spitting on, insulting and attacking Christians; also show him the videos of Israelis insulting Jesus

I didn't think Trump would be the president who'd declare Israel a terror state and yet here we are!

[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 33 points 6 months ago

Don't forget Israel attacking Christian churches in Palestine on Easter Sunday!

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 33 points 6 months ago

Well, it's fine when they do it trump-anguish

[–] darkcalling@hexbear.net 42 points 6 months ago (21 children)

Hmm this really does seem like the opening salvo in a MAJOR escalation that goes beyond mere words or pandering to the base and sets the groundwork for uh not great things.

The Trump administration isn’t only targeting organizations or groups but even individuals and “entities” whom NSPM-7 says can be identified by any of the following “indica” (indicators) of violence:

  • anti-Americanism,
  • anti-capitalism,
  • anti-Christianity,
  • support for the overthrow of the United States Government,
  • extremism on migration,
  • extremism on race,
  • extremism on gender
  • hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on family,
  • hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on religion, and
  • hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on morality.

Breaking this down a bit:

  • extremism on migration,

Clearly to go after anyone against deportations, ICE, etc. Even someone just working the policy and judicial angle as say a lawyer who never attends protests would be a dangerous indicator of terrorism under this.

  • extremism on race,

I have to wonder for some of these if it's entirely up to the discretion of the cops doing the work or if there's additional (secret) guidance defining these because on the surface this would certainly seem to suggest support for BLM or anything they deem "anti-white"

  • extremism on gender

As with above I have to wonder if there's additional secret guidance on the meaning of this one. Obviously trans rights activists (including any trans person who isn't constantly denouncing their own existence I presume) would fall under this as would any feminists who are for abortion, are against the traditional 1950s Christian Protestant views on family, etc, etc.

The last three in the list are especially broad, vague, and therefore worrying but seem to reinforce the above and remove doubts about what extremism on race and gender are.

[–] OptimusSubprime@hexbear.net 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

extremism on race,

I have to wonder for some of these if it's entirely up to the discretion of the cops doing the work or if there's additional (secret) guidance defining these

Come on now, you know cops are following us-foreign-policy

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 37 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

NSPM-7 is fundamentally a law enforcement directive, and it dispenses with the complications of using the active duty military or the National Guard in pursuit of political violence. It directs the Department of Justice to focus the FBI’s approximately 200 Joint Terrorism Task Forces (JTTFs) to the new mission. The FBI network of task forces comprises over 4,000 members—including FBI personnel and task force officers (or TFOs) from more than 500 state and local agencies and 50 federal agencies, including special agents, police officers, intelligence analysts and surveillance technicians. First established in New York City in 1980 to systematize FBI and NYPD cooperation, today there are task forces around the country, including at least one in each of the FBI’s 55 field offices.

Well there's the reason he's attacking Comey and the January 6 fbi agents right now. He's terrorising them to scare anyone that might drag their feet on this.

[–] Cunigulus@hexbear.net 14 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Very critical to point out that this 4,000 member task force is not going to be enough to meaningfully enforce mass censorship and political repression across the country. It'll be a gradual roll-out with the fascists seeking to make an example of groups and individuals that present themselves as easy or particularly prominent targets to try to scare everyone else into submission. That'll backfire and they won't really have the resources to handle the backlash without a pretty major mobilization.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Yeah my immediate thought upon reading this and the reason I quoted it was basically "ok so we already know what the exact precise hard limits for their manpower and work are".

That information alone is valuable. It stops people from thinking "this is a limitless organisation of infinite power we are literally up against the entire United States" which is just not true at all but it's how people perceive it without hard numbers.

Let me put this another way. I'm in orgs with more manpower than this here in the UK, and I'm sure some of you over there are too. You are bigger than they are.

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 35 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Between the Antifa order and this, it seems like things are picking up steam.

I wish I was around people who at least cared, much less noticed, and weren't Rightists. They'll just think I'm exaggerating and paranoid as usual. It'll probably be time to leave the country soon, guess we'll see how this goes late 2025 and early 2026.

sadness-abysmal

Stay safe, Comrades. solidarity

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[–] RedWizard@hexbear.net 33 points 6 months ago

Well folks, it's been nice while it lasted.

[–] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 27 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)

Must be their attempt to detain U.S. citizens without trial or due process, if not now, in the future. Preventive prosecution.

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[–] mayakovsky@hexbear.net 25 points 6 months ago (2 children)

So which org gets targeted first?

[–] RedWizard@hexbear.net 31 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The Democratic Party I bet.

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[–] SevenSkalls@hexbear.net 14 points 6 months ago
[–] tamagotchicowboy@hexbear.net 23 points 6 months ago

The highest stage of imperialism is itching to start a big war right following steps out of falling apart ass department of war books, not just at home.

[–] LangleyDominos@hexbear.net 21 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Unrelated, but kinda related. I went back and listened to some early Chapo because it's been years since I've listened. They were seriously debating whether Trump was a fascist or not. I had totally forgotten about that debate in the Discourse ^TM^. It seems like all the doomsayers were right but they called it too early. That means the second Jan 6 will probably not be as funny. First as farce, then as tragedy.

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[–] autism_2@hexbear.net 14 points 6 months ago

This might concern me if I could feel anything anymore

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