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It's making me think that the Israelis are actually planning on sinking some of the flotillas ships, and have made an under the table arrangement with Spain to rescue survivors.

Exactly.

They have literally killed and bombed American and European citizens with total impunity. What difference does it make that they're on boats?

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seems an attempt by the gov't to try to appease the masses ("SEE! WE ARE DOING SOMETHING!") while in effect doing nothing

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Precisely, which is why it’s odd that the people calling this out for what it was two days ago were ignored/shit on as everyone suddenly started thinking southern Europe was going to pick a fight with America

I appreciate this note of optimism because it just made me sad to see the one piece of good news in recent weeks taken away almost immediately.

It says something about the spread of anti-Zionism in the general public of the west that governments even felt necessary to have this fig leaf. That’s something that the Palestine movement can work with. It’s a sign of progress within the masses on this issue.

That was the reason to celebrate in the first place. Spain and Italy still do not sanction israhell.

Well, I can hope this will at least galvanize local resistance. To see that the government can be influenced towards doing something, yet also infuriated at the half measure. It shows a weakness that can be hit again, ideally.

You can see past flotillas, which generally did not have the crew martyred. The point isn't for the crew to die, which they probably won't but to show the undeniable barbarity of Israel blocking aid via first-hand documentation.

I believe you have already seen the effects. The combine pressure have been building for years , from BDS, attempts to break the siege , unions and activists.

The change has come late , but not to late I believe. There are plenty of food and supplies rotting in trucks outside rafah. The mission is not to solve a genocide and starvation by a couple of tons of aid. The mission is to break the siege and establish an humanitarian corridor.

The amount of pressure put is forcing the hands of the EU countries and other countries.

Everyone onboard is very clear about objectives, risks and the torture that will be happening before and in Isrealis prisons. As well as imprisonment for an unknown amount of time.

We just believe it's worse to risk not doing this at all.

Risks are accepted , suicide missions not.

I could not continue all the way unfortunately but my friends still onboard are not doing this in a whim. It's a very clearly thought out decision for everyone.

And there is still a chance for the main objective to be reached. Less likely than interception but there is a chance.

Politically GSF and everyone involved is quite clear on different countries interests and actions. It's not like an analysis of the situation wasn't prepared and always updates according to current situation..

Do the crew of the flotilla even understand this?

Do you honestly think they've gotten as far as they have without thinking over everything you, random Internet commenter, could possibly consider?

Article 5 is not automatic, otherwise NATO would've been pulled into direct¹ war with Russia by Poland

¹I acknowledge that NATO is essentially fighting a proxy war with Russia already

It wouldn't cause NATO to act against Israel. NATO is not a defensive alliance and never was. It's part of the US empire, as is Israel.

Pissreal hogs may be greed but they know to not trigger Article 5. Plus, Italy and Spain won't let them, because they'll stay back while the flotilla gets bombed.

Is that really Spain of all places? There's a few others that come to mind before them, for me.