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I'm sorry but a child reaching freshmen year with their documentation that shows they are developmentally at a third grade level for reading and writing is unteachable. I know that may be a crazy opinion but I've never seen it this bad till this year.

Half a co-taught class developmentally 6 years behind where they should be. My co-teacher is losing their mind. I'm losing my mind. We're doing stories that are 3 pages long and they forget what was 1 paragraph before. They don't know how to operate a google document. Many have lost their homework sheets in their folder less book bags.

I don't even really know the other half of my class since I have no time to talk to the students who are demonstrating the basic ability to follow a 2 step direction since I'm busy putting the fire extinguisher to other half who seemingly have never been told to do anything their entire life.

I cannot scaffold things any lower without it literally being a third grade level class. One child literally had documentation showing they don't understand that stories begin and end.

Our biggest challenge of the year so far was writing a singular scaffolded paragraph with sentence starters based off a short story. Multiple paragraphs contained characters that simply did not exist in the story.

I'm losing my brain

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[–] Carl@hexbear.net 92 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If the revolution ever happens in the US we will need Cuban style literacy programs in every corner of the country.

[–] QuillcrestFalconer@hexbear.net 74 points 1 week ago (1 children)

As the joke goes: before the re-education camps we need education camps

[–] alexei_1917@hexbear.net 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

"We can't teach communist theory to people who can't even read a short pamphlet."

"The Commies just want everyone to know how to read so that they can make you read communist propaganda! Reading is for flithy pinkos!" - Something I'd be unsurprised to hear an American media outlet say.

[–] MemesAreTheory@hexbear.net 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is literally a copy pasta. Some dipshit brags about how his illiterate grandfather is the biggest anti communist he knows.

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[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 78 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I'm gonna be real, the thing that actually scares me is how many teachers are redditers, if I had suspected any of my teachers were posting on reddit, I'd have pretended not to know how to read just to enjoy the aggravation

Our school got rid of reading intervention because is racist and inequitable, apparently. Since latino students were disproportionately in intervention I guess it means that wanting to give targeted supports to them is actually a racist plot or something.

See what I mean

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 61 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

People always shit on the Hispanic kids but those dudes knew like 3 languages where I was growing up. People thought they were stupid for not knowing all the English rules even though their speech was fluent. No, you just hate them for being better at language than you and cause you're racist.

[–] Biggay@hexbear.net 51 points 1 week ago

this was my experience in HS too, latino kids in french got shit on by our professor because they could already sus out the conjugation and gender of words before most people and when they'd maybe get it wrong instead of corrections like the valley girl chick would get they got scolded.

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[–] VibeCoder@hexbear.net 44 points 1 week ago (2 children)

My first question was why the kids weren’t getting reading intervention en masse. What is this bullshit about ELL students getting services being inequitable?

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 45 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The school admin is trying to save money and the user prefers to blame "woke" or the user is lying

[–] trabpukcip@hexbear.net 31 points 1 week ago

Yes exactly. People have been using "well meaning progressivism is actually racism" bad faith arguments forever

[–] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago

It's more than people consider any program that disproportionately serves people of color as racist against white people, but they've learned to borrow DEI language to obfuscate.

[–] Abracadaniel@hexbear.net 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

isn't it literally equitable if it's targeted?

[–] VibeCoder@hexbear.net 32 points 1 week ago

I’ll play devil’s advocate and say that there are plenty of teachers, especially white ones, who take one look at Latino ELL students and just throw up their hands and insist on services because they insist there’s a disability. “They can’t do anything” is a phrase I’ve heard many times. But the solution to that isn’t to discontinue the availability of services. It’s to insist on high quality data for referrals and educate teachers on how to provide that data. When done well, yes, this is equitable.

[–] gay_king_prince_charles@hexbear.net 56 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Education is bad, but r/teachers is not real

[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 44 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

i used to take amazon returns at a retailer and iirc the official stats are an abysmal like 1/7 adults in my state being functionally illiterate but based on my time helping people through what's a really brainlessly simple return process I would believe it's closer to 1/5 or 1/4, like people staring at their phones like a westworld android just not seeing what's in front of them. I understood having to deal with the elderly being overwhelmed by it but there were innumerable younger people too who I'd have to help to such a degree that "these people can't read" is the likeliest explanation

and this is just like reading steps like "take this to a UPS and show them this QR code" not like parsing paragraphs of story

[–] Edie@hexbear.net 40 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

1/5 adults in the US apparently cannot read and understand simple bullet list instructions, according to this post

[–] Self_Sealing_Stem_Bolt@hexbear.net 30 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)
[–] Parzivus@hexbear.net 24 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Where are you getting that from this post? I'm seeing a lot of levels and scores but not what those scores mean in terms of ability. 89% seems high unless you mean like scientific journals or something

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[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Lol and i live in a particularly bad state, too, so hey, my vibe based estimate checked out

[–] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Every E-Mail Job I have the amount of people who can process any text longer than about 3 sentences is shockingly low. like 20% at the max.

Like some parts of it is "I don't care", sure, but the amount of meetings I've had where I basically just spent an hour explaining about one page of text to some people is shocking

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[–] CrookedSerpent@hexbear.net 46 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] XxFemboy_Stalin_420_69xX@hexbear.net 44 points 1 week ago (3 children)

friendly reminder that everything on reddit is fake

Western illiteracy is well documented though.

[–] alexei_1917@hexbear.net 17 points 1 week ago

Except for how much the teachers on that sub hate the children they teach, especially the ones that aren't white. So much racism disguised as "ELL is a waste of resources" and the like.

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[–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 43 points 1 week ago (1 children)

One child literally had documentation showing they don't understand that stories begin and end.

i blame marvel movies, or is this an actual neurological condition people can have?

[–] FloridaBoi@hexbear.net 39 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 43 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

If I were to guess, these kids aren’t trying because businessmen aren’t trying anymore. The whole point of education is for jobs, and employers have proudly announced time and time again just how satisfied they are with the workers they got, they don’t even need to make jobs anymore.

These younger students likely know many older siblings or cousins that did go through college and are now basement dwellers because no one’s hiring. Ergo, why would they take school seriously if even when you do well, you’ll be treated like you failed? Same logic why we have so little people actively trying to become actors in Hollywood, because only a tiny 0.000001% of the people that go for it will be successful. Now all industries have the Hollywood logic: if you’re not a nepo baby, forget it you’ll be lucky to even wash dishes no matter how well you do.

TL;DR: With business owners just kicking back and refusing to ever lift a finger to put people to work, even children understand that they’re doomed and react to this nihilistic culture.

[–] MaoTheLawn@hexbear.net 44 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

Nah, I don't think they're that aware of the job market. I think everything these days is slop and kids are fed gallons of it from the day they're born, and use AI instead of thinking critically. Their parents are probably in a similar boat.

[–] MrPiss@hexbear.net 27 points 1 week ago

I think the polycrisis, or whatever it's best called, makes most issues have like a dozen interlocking and self reinforcing causes and effects. The nihilism in culture makes us hedonistic and slop oriented which makes us dumber which makes us unfulfilled which makes depressed which makes us hedonistic and so on with every issue. Kids can definitely see there being no good future for the Great Satan.

[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 26 points 1 week ago

I know I am i-love-not-thinking

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[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 30 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Worse with AI they're explicitly seeing a massive institutional push to eliminate 80% of office jobs

Who gives a shit about Canterbury tales learn to run wire is a completely understandable world view for the young

[–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 26 points 1 week ago

Our biggest challenge of the year so far was writing a singular scaffolded paragraph with sentence starters based off a short story. Multiple paragraphs contained characters that simply did not exist in the story.

sounds like ai

[–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 29 points 1 week ago

Half a co-taught class developmentally 6 years behind where they should be. My co-teacher is losing their mind. I'm losing my mind. We're doing stories that are 3 pages long and they forget what was 1 paragraph before. They don't know how to operate a google document. Many have lost their homework sheets in their folder less book bags.

this one sounds like long covid, the kid that doesn't know stories begin or end is either fake or sequel fatigue

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 35 points 1 week ago (3 children)

It is not uncommon for me to have situations when talking to americans where it is obvious that their reading comprehension is very very bad. I'm not talking about political conversations, just general conversations I might have in gaming forums, movie forums, discords, etc.

[–] KobaCumTribute@hexbear.net 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I've long since gotten in the habit of trying to rephrase and restate the core point I'm trying to get across multiple times when talking in general and generally to avoid making any sentence hinge on a single word to be interpreted correctly since even people who are literate tend to skim text and miss key words. I don't always remember or succeed though: even here I had one particular old power poster blow up on me on several occasions when we were actually in agreement, because he missed a key word and reversed the meaning of what I was saying.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Oh now that you mention it I have seen that situation occur here where people miss one word and don't realise they actually agree with each other. I may even be guilty of that myself though tbh.

[–] Horse@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 1 week ago (4 children)

tbh the bad am*rican literacy rate could explain why so many arguments on hexbear get so out of hand

[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I have seen a few arguments here and there where people have just seemingly refused to analyse what the other person has said and has just gotten mad at something they assumed they said. That is much more common elsewhere on the internet though.

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[–] trabpukcip@hexbear.net 34 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Our biggest challenge of the year so far was writing a singular scaffolded paragraph with sentence starters based off a short story.

I taught 11th grade students this 5 years before covid and it was nearly impossible then, too. I'm sure it's more impossible now, but "the kids these days" have never liked doing school

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[–] Homer_Simpson@hexbear.net 32 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If 1/12th of what they say in that sub is true, it's terrifying

[–] alexei_1917@hexbear.net 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I hate that sub. Half of it is this kind of doomposting, the other half is utter hatred for children and teenagers, it's such an interesting example of "you start to hate the people directly under you in the class system once you get a tiny bit of power to oppress someone who has no recourse".

[–] Civility@hexbear.net 22 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It's just the teacher version of retail workers venting about customers.

Teaching is a hard job with no pay that requires a uni degree to do. There's a baseline assumption that everyone who's in it is in it because they care deeply about educating children. And schools are usually set up in such a way that they're not really able to do that properly. And they see that every day and it hurts. The teacher version of "the customer is always right" is Solely Positive Regard. No matter what a kid does in the classroom a teacher (should) be trying to make sure that the kid still thinks the teacher thinks the world of them, and their parents should think the same and teachers (should) keep their cool in the classroom at all times. And that's just not sustainable 24/7. Like retail workers the repressed frustration from being patient and caring and giving 8 hours a day 5 days a week gets vented in situations where it's safe to do so. Teachers generally live in the community they teach and parents in the community are as much (often more) a "customer" as the kids are, often more, so only their families and other teachers (usually) get to see this.

The vast majority of teachers don't hate kids. If they did they wouldn't stay teachers, f you read that thread closely the vast majority of these comments aren't contemptous, they're saying "I wish I had time/capacity/permission to teach this kid in the way I know they need to be taught. The way I have to teach them is an actively harmful waste of my, theirs and all my other students time".

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[–] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I work with grad students and recently had some do an exercise where they had to do a short assessment with spell check turned off and no Internet connection. Only one performed at what I'd consider a reasonable undergraduate level. It's not looking great out there.

[–] Lerios@hexbear.net 18 points 1 week ago (2 children)

maybe this is the dyslexia speaking, but i really think that spelling and being able to comprehend a text are two skills of massively different importance. relying on spell check and/or phonetic estimations can serve you perfectly fine in almost all situations and changes nothing, whereas being functionally illiterate makes your life more hollow

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[–] nothx@hexbear.net 25 points 1 week ago (2 children)

What's crazy to me about this thread (reddit), is the amount of posters that aren't typing at a teachers writing level...

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[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 24 points 1 week ago (2 children)

r/teachers is a place for people who hate children to make up stories about how the youth are completely stupid and irredeemable and it is all their fault for being lazy kids on their tiktoks and fortnites. I wouldn't trust it to be any more based in reality than r/nosleep.

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[–] William_Nilliam@hexbear.net 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Multiple paragraphs contained characters that simply did not exist in the story.

Wtf are kids thinking like chatgpt now? This is so scary.

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[–] SmokinStalin@hexbear.net 14 points 1 week ago

Skill issue.

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