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I'm sorry but a child reaching freshmen year with their documentation that shows they are developmentally at a third grade level for reading and writing is unteachable. I know that may be a crazy opinion but I've never seen it this bad till this year.

Half a co-taught class developmentally 6 years behind where they should be. My co-teacher is losing their mind. I'm losing my mind. We're doing stories that are 3 pages long and they forget what was 1 paragraph before. They don't know how to operate a google document. Many have lost their homework sheets in their folder less book bags.

I don't even really know the other half of my class since I have no time to talk to the students who are demonstrating the basic ability to follow a 2 step direction since I'm busy putting the fire extinguisher to other half who seemingly have never been told to do anything their entire life.

I cannot scaffold things any lower without it literally being a third grade level class. One child literally had documentation showing they don't understand that stories begin and end.

Our biggest challenge of the year so far was writing a singular scaffolded paragraph with sentence starters based off a short story. Multiple paragraphs contained characters that simply did not exist in the story.

I'm losing my brain

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[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 44 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

i used to take amazon returns at a retailer and iirc the official stats are an abysmal like 1/7 adults in my state being functionally illiterate but based on my time helping people through what's a really brainlessly simple return process I would believe it's closer to 1/5 or 1/4, like people staring at their phones like a westworld android just not seeing what's in front of them. I understood having to deal with the elderly being overwhelmed by it but there were innumerable younger people too who I'd have to help to such a degree that "these people can't read" is the likeliest explanation

and this is just like reading steps like "take this to a UPS and show them this QR code" not like parsing paragraphs of story

[–] Edie@hexbear.net 40 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

1/5 adults in the US apparently cannot read and understand simple bullet list instructions, according to this post

[–] Self_Sealing_Stem_Bolt@hexbear.net 30 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)
[–] Parzivus@hexbear.net 24 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Where are you getting that from this post? I'm seeing a lot of levels and scores but not what those scores mean in terms of ability. 89% seems high unless you mean like scientific journals or something

[–] Edie@hexbear.net 12 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

When compared with the 27 OECD countries participating in the 2022 PIAAC, Canada ranked in the top 10 for the proportion of adults with high literacy scores, or those at levels 4 and 5 (276 and over), with 14% of the population at these levels, compared with 11% among participating OECD countries. Individuals at the highest proficiency levels of literacy can integrate information across multiple dense texts and reason by inference.

The PIAAC levels can be found on this website (expand "Literacy Proficiency Levels", see also the literacy samples that make it clearer what it actually means)

[–] Parzivus@hexbear.net 11 points 6 days ago (2 children)

So looking at those levels and the examples they give, I wouldn't say it measures literacy very well at all? They have three example texts and all of them are basically lists of facts. The longest of them is three paragraphs (and missing punctuation, always a good sign). The flaws of standardized tests like this are pretty well known by now, and the skills that are being tested here are only tangentially related to being able to read and understand a novel.

I would not be surprised if most adults struggle to understand, idk, Finnegan's Wake or something, but that isn't really something a standardized test can tell you.

[–] KobaCumTribute@hexbear.net 13 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Reading about the actual tiers that test grades participants into, I'm not sure if "can read books for adults" is an accurate description of what tier 4 (which starts at a score of 65%) and above is determining, nor where the sample questions (all of which were extremely simple, straightforwards texts and tasks) fall on it:

At level 4, adults can read long and dense texts presented on multiple pages in order to complete tasks that involve access, understanding, evaluation and reflection about the text(s) contents and sources across multiple processing cycles. Adults at this level can infer what the task is asking based on complex or implicit statements. Successful task completion often requires the production of knowledge-based inferences. Texts and tasks at Level 4 may deal with abstract and unfamiliar situations. They often feature both lengthy contents and a large amount of distracting information, which is sometimes as prominent as the information required to complete the task. At this level, adults are able to reason based on intrinsically complex questions that share only indirect matches with the text contents, and/or require taking into consideration several pieces of information dispersed throughout the materials. Tasks may require evaluating subtle evidence-claims or persuasive discourse relationships. Conditional information is frequently present in tasks at this level and must be taken into consideration by the respondent. Response modes may involve assessing or sorting complex assertions.

It may be a little stricter of a requirement, since it sounds like at levels 4 and 5 the questions are frequently forcing guesses based on inferred information, and notably the highest tier only requires a score of 75% so even someone who is considered fully literate to as much as is feasible to test is still expected to/allowed to fail a bunch of the hardest questions.

I'm really not sure what the lower tiers look like in practical terms: "below level 1" is clearly like a grade school level or below, level 1 itself is maybe grade school level? Maybe 2 and 3 are more highschool level proficiencies? I really don't know what's expected of people or normal at a given level. It seems like the threshold for tier 4 is around the level of "graduated highschool with reasonably good language comprehension abilities" though.

There's also this note alongside the scale, which confirms my assumption that even proficient people are expected to fail a lot:

NOTE: Every test item is located at a point on the proficiency scale based on its relative difficulty. The easiest items are those located at a point within the score range below level 1 (i.e., 175 or less); the most difficult items are those located at a point at or above the threshold for level 5 (i.e., 376 points). An individual with a proficiency score that matches a test item’s scale score value has a 67 percent chance of successfully completing that test item. This individual will also be able to complete more difficult items (those with higher values on the scale) with a lower probability of success and easier items (those with lower values on the scale) with a greater chance of success.

In general, this means that tasks located at a particular proficiency level can be successfully completed by the “average” person at that level approximately two-thirds of the time. However, individuals scoring at the bottom of the level would successfully complete tasks at that level only about half the time while individuals scoring at the top of the level would successfully complete tasks at the level about 80 percent of the time. Information about the procedures used to set the achievement levels is available in the OECD PIAAC Technical Report.

SOURCE: OECD 2023 Survey of Adult Skills International Report

[–] BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk 1 points 5 days ago

What % of adults do you know that read a single book every year? Even multiple years. I'm willing to bet it's a lot lower than you think.

[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 13 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Lol and i live in a particularly bad state, too, so hey, my vibe based estimate checked out

[–] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 20 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Every E-Mail Job I have the amount of people who can process any text longer than about 3 sentences is shockingly low. like 20% at the max.

Like some parts of it is "I don't care", sure, but the amount of meetings I've had where I basically just spent an hour explaining about one page of text to some people is shocking

[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 8 points 5 days ago

This is the exact reason why so many meetings and phone calls have to happen even though it can be resolved through a short email chain. It's because they literally can't follow an email that's more than 3 sentences.