A lot of what’s been coming out does seem very suspicious. However, regardless of whether or not this conspiracy theory is true, shifting the right’s ire away from trans people/leftists and towards Israel seems like a positive development.

[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 38 points 4 days ago

let-them-fight

[–] UmbraVivi@hexbear.net 28 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I wanna agree but their theories get intensely antisemitic really quickly.

[–] Carcharodonna@hexbear.net 11 points 4 days ago

Yeah this is a great point. I haven’t really seen much of that personally but I suppose it’s inevitable.

[–] tactical_trans_karen@hexbear.net 6 points 4 days ago

Public attention isn't going to mean much for us. The Nazis mainly campaigned on anti-communist/antisemitism (tying the two together with the term "Judeo-bulshevism"), and they still went out of their way to kill the queers before camps were ever built.

[–] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 44 points 4 days ago (4 children)

I find this really frustrating considering that monster was still supporting the genocide right up until his last breath but w/e

[–] frogbellyratbone_@hexbear.net 18 points 4 days ago

don't think logically like that it ruins all the antisemitic conspiracy theories being paraded by these freaks

[–] stink@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Yeah he was a PoS. A lot of these right-winger populist mfs were slowly going against "israel" one-by-one because it's hard to defend them anymore lol. 80 years of propaganda has been demolished. Now these grifters have to slowly pivot over and it takes a while to do that.

First invite some anti-zionists and debate them, agree with some of their takes, invite a zionist on the show, criticize them a bit, and keep repeating the process until you're seen as an anti-zionist in people's eyes.

Piers Morgan did it, Tucker Carlson did it, Charlie Kirk was next in line to do it. They didh't suddenly grow a conscious 2 years into the genocide, it's all about self-preservation and ratings.

[–] Keld@hexbear.net 8 points 4 days ago

Antisemitism doesnt have to make sense.

[–] MohammedTheCommunistPalestinian@hexbear.net 1 points 3 days ago

Jackson Hinkle too said it was Israel and Fuentes made fun of him saying its not for it and kinda did the Russia bad routine lol

[–] frogbellyratbone_@hexbear.net 40 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Kirk might've had private, critical dislikes about Israel, but ZERO chance he'd ever "turn" on Israel in public with any sincerity besides offering occasional / mild criticism.

He's a mouthpiece for the GOP (if there's any doubt see Exhibit A: JD Vance hosted Turning Points this week). Until the GOP turns on Israel, he's saying whatever line they tell him to.

[–] UmbraVivi@hexbear.net 21 points 4 days ago (2 children)

The right-wing anti-Israel grift is lucrative. Candace Owens is doing way better than she was doing when she was on the Daily Wire.

[–] SerLava@hexbear.net 6 points 4 days ago

The only thing that could have made Kirk go anti-Israel would have been Trump going anti-Israel

[–] Carl@hexbear.net 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

You're not wrong, but then the question becomes why target Kirk and not Owens. idk the story that this was a kid who just succumbed to America's culture of violence and gun fetishization makes more sense to me than Mossad choosing to kill Kirk over people like Fuentes who have more cultural purchase and are more clearly anti-Israel.

[–] stink@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I wrote this above:

A lot of these right-winger populist mfs were slowly going against "israel" one-by-one because it's hard to defend them anymore lol. 80 years of propaganda has been demolished. Now these grifters have to slowly pivot over and it takes a while to do that.

First invite some anti-zionists and debate them, agree with some of their takes, invite a zionist on the show, criticize them a bit, and keep repeating the process until you're seen as an anti-zionist in people's eyes.

Piers Morgan did it, Tucker Carlson did it, Charlie Kirk was next in line to do it. They didh't suddenly grow a conscious 2 years into the genocide, it's all about self-preservation and ratings.

[–] TraschcanOfIdeology@hexbear.net 11 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

And if it lets them be a bit antisemitic as a treat? Even better.

[–] sewer_rat_420@hexbear.net 9 points 4 days ago

His main goal is to keep the youth, which are anti Israel, still loyal to the GOP. Throwing them a few bones like a MTG debate about AIPAC makes sense in this regard. As long as there is room for anti Israel people in the GOP you can maintain the youth support.

[–] dead@hexbear.net 36 points 4 days ago

Candace said a lot of other weird things on her stream yesterday. She said that she is in contact with the parents of "Lance Twiggs", the roommate of the shooter. She said that Lance's family told her that Tyler Robinson is "deepweb". Then she said that the other suspect George Zinn, may have also been a collaborator by helping him get away.

[–] abc@hexbear.net 35 points 4 days ago

you know what, yeah - israel is the antifa training ground and NEEDS to be taken out

[–] sewer_rat_420@hexbear.net 30 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I'm sure there's plenty of evidence of him being more anti Israel in private then in public, where he was practically a member of the administration. But to say that Israel would kill him over this doesn't make sense.

That being said, those texts are also fishy, kash patel always appears to be lying, and its going to be hard to trust the FBI at all.

[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

But to say that Israel would kill him over this doesn't make sense.

It's not supposed to, it's just trying to be antisemitic without outright saying "The Jewish Cabal killed him."

[–] sewer_rat_420@hexbear.net 7 points 4 days ago

Yeah I guess so and that's the tune to expect from the likes of Klandace Owens or Fucker Carlson.

This guy just said he trusts the admin on the Epstein stuff, obviously he wasn't about to start globalizing the intifada or whatever the fuck

[–] mrfugu@hexbear.net 2 points 3 days ago

kash patel always appears to be lying

seriously I feel like I can hear a laugh track after everything he says like the audience knows he’s making shit up on the spot.

[–] sourquincelog@hexbear.net 31 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Candace Owens :: Hexbear

mystery-emote solidarity

"These messages are clearly doctored "

[–] invalidusernamelol@hexbear.net 2 points 3 days ago

If they aren't doctored, this is a crime of passion and he's a pretty sympathetic character. If they are, it means he's probably just another standard shooter profile and they don't want us to know because it makes them look bad.

[–] Rod_Blagojevic@hexbear.net 26 points 4 days ago

i-am-adolf-hitler Don't believe me, believe Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson.

[–] glimmer_twin@hexbear.net 7 points 3 days ago

It is a funny coincidence that his last interviewee was Benny Shapeeno and Captain Kirk ever so slightly had a line of questioning that was like “what would you say to people who say Israel maybe isn’t a completely perfect utopia that is by definition incapable of committing any wrong?”, after which he was shot dead and Ben took his job, lol.

Also kinda sus that the daily wire apparently had a million bucks to pay TPUSA all of a sudden when all the stories have been that daily wire is fucking broke and losing viewers for the last year. But the (even more) Zionist capture of TPUSA since Kirk got ventilated seems more like “don’t let a good crisis go to waste” than a conspiracy.

[–] 6spiders@hexbear.net 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I remember watching a video about this the day when he was shot. The gist of it:

He had recently started criticizing Israel.
he also refused money from Netanyahu.
As soon as he was killed, Netanyahu started going all over American TV right away saying "it wasn't us".
Israel pretty much immediately painted a mural of Kirk to claim him as a friend.
Killing him allows them to put an Israel puppet in his place, while setting up that anti-Israel groyper guy as a scapegoat.

I don't care much for American celebrities, so I don't know whether any of this is true, but that was the "evidence" for Israel doing it.

[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 4 points 4 days ago (2 children)

He had recently started criticizing Israel.

Completely flimsy, he said some negative things here and there but was still overall an ardent supporter. Not everyone is going to be Ben Shapiro, and people are wildly exaggerating his limited criticisms.

As soon as he was killed, Netanyahu started going all over American TV right away saying "it wasn't us".

Because he was asked

Killing him allows them to put an Israel puppet in his place,

He's already a fucking puppet of Israel, he's just not as freakish about it as Shapiro

while setting up that anti-Israel groyper guy as a scapegoat.

We have no evidence that the shooter was either anti-Israel or a groyper. That speculation appears to be false.

[–] frogbellyratbone_@hexbear.net 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

As soon as he was killed, Netanyahu started going all over American TV right away saying "it wasn't us".

Because he was asked

all the israeli killed kirk conspiracies are dumb. having said that, the netanyahu response was pretty fucking crazy. dude is such a monster he literally just can't be normal

just to re-emphasize: zero chance this was a Mossad op. but LOL at netanyahu not helping people realize that

[–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 2 points 3 days ago

As soon as he was killed, Netanyahu started going all over American TV right away saying "it wasn't us".

Because he was asked

certainly but the denial he made is just the fumbliest most suspicious shit i've ever seen. 5 year olds can lie and seem less suspicious than bibi did in the interview i saw

[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 7 points 4 days ago

What? They say he "loves Israel and hates netanyahu" like it's right there, that's different than saying he's "anti Israel"

[–] glimmer_twin@hexbear.net 4 points 3 days ago

let-them-fight

[–] Coolkidbozzy@hexbear.net 3 points 4 days ago

I don't know whether we should trust the word of antisemites on this one

[–] Homer_Simpson@hexbear.net 4 points 4 days ago

Let them cook!

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 3 points 4 days ago

Lol, lmao

[–] YEP@hexbear.net 3 points 4 days ago

Why would they?