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[–] Randelung@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago

"NPM was supply chain attacked, so stop using Java." - our CISO.

So many people. So little expertise.

[–] Tim_Bisley@piefed.social 209 points 1 week ago (6 children)

The issue I feel, is we live in a society that equates money with importance. This guy over here made lots of money so he must be smart right? No, no it doesn't.

The headline should be Stop Talking to Technology Executives, Tax Them.

[–] SoupBrick@pawb.social 88 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

I think the root issue is more around the belief that US companies operate off of meritocracy.

I.E. only the most qualified and competent people make it to the top.

[–] clif@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

Who was it that said that the mark of a good leader is that everyone working under them is smarter than the leader?

By that metric, the C level are the dumbest people in a company.

[–] DonkMagnum@lemy.lol 48 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Or even more basically:

  • what's good for business is generally not what's good for society.
[–] biofaust@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

In many instances it can be argued that the decisions they make are not good for the business either, at least in the mid- to long-term.

  • What's good for ~~business~~ stockholders is generally not what's good for society. FTFY
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US companies operate off of the Peter Principle, psychopathic willingness and ability to exploit others, and a merciless drive for profit.

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[–] thesohoriots@lemmy.world 42 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This myth needs to die hard. Inheriting off daddy’s blood emerald mine allows you to start businesses and buy people to make them work. This takes zero intelligence — it takes capital which was not earned. It continues to make money through the labor of shady accountants who know how to keep you from paying taxes, the labor of H1-B visa holder slaves, non-unionized assembly line workers, etc. who you crush and exploit for more capital to keep repeating the same unethical and dumb shit.

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

What should cure people of it fast is listening to real estate investment podcasts. These people are often dumb as rocks. They copy each others homework, happen to know the right people, and most importantly, have no ethics. You don't have to be smart to make a fortune in real estate, and you can potentially even do it with zero starting cash, but you do have to forget about ethics.

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[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 25 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

US culture conflates money with all kinds of things: intelligence, importance, respectability, work ethic, maturity, creativity, "good genes", even godliness. Many people just can't see the very clear truth that to be super-rich you usually just need to be a lucky asshole.

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[–] rem26_art@fedia.io 64 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Here's a similar post by Ed Zitron (Titled: Make Fun of Them). He gives a few examples of complete nonsensical stuff that some big Tech CEOs have said, and goes on to argue that more people, especially those who cover tech in media for a living, need to be far more critical of tech CEOs and not just basically go "oh wow thats so cool" to everything they say.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 3 points 6 days ago

Guess the reason tech CEOs have bought up several news outlets

[–] ObsidianZed@lemmy.world 52 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"Do not fall into the trap of anthropomorphizing [technology executives]. You need to think of [them] the way you think of a lawn mower. You don't anthropomorphize your lawnmower, the lawnmower just mows the lawn, you stick your hand in there and it'll chop it off, the end. You don't think 'oh, the lawnmower hates me' - lawnmower doesn't give a shit about you, lawnmower can't hate you. Don't anthropomorphize the lawnmower. Don't fall into that trap about [technology executives]."

-- Brian Cantrill (Originally about Larry Ellison specifically)

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

This also applies to calling LLM's droids.

[–] ruuster13@lemmy.zip 37 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It’s not even an unwillingness to admit ignorance: it’s the lack of awareness that there’s already a conversation.

This is the take-home point. They aren't unaware there's already a conversation. Their hubris compels them to believe they can answer these questions better than whatever the liberal establishment has come up with.

[–] wjrii@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

Yup. I also liked this, but I'm trying hard not to just quote the whole thing back, because it's all good.

Their wealth insulates them from friction so effectively there’s no incentive or pressure for them to develop an imagination, or diversify their knowledge to the point where an imagination might emerge on its own. I can’t think of a better argument for a humanities requirement than a billionaire being asked “how do we know what is real?” and responding with “cryptographic signatures.”

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[–] Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The gibberish from Altman is clearly done in bad faith.

When defining AGI in negotiations with Microsoft, there was no faux-philosophy or other types of word salad. They defined anything that gave them $100B per annum in revenue as AGI, philosophy and technology be damned.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What was the last non-gibberish thing Altman has said?

I feel like he has been playing the "you can only speak in gibberish" improv game for as long as I can remember.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

All the tech CEOs are playing this game, even in the established companies. When was the last time Satya Nadella or Sundar Pichai spoke non-bullshit?

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Altman is the Rasputin of Silicon Valley though, he is on a whole different level of hallucinatory nonsense that powerful people at the top are enamored by.

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[–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago (2 children)

title

Nowadays, everybody wanna talk like they got somethin' to say

But nothin' comes out when they move their lips, just a bunch of gibberish

[–] nixxo@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

And motherf*ckers act like they forgot about Dre

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Unfortunately, you can't just politely ignore people with an eleven-to-thirteen-digit line of credit. That much of a hand in the consumption habits of the richest country on earth commands attention whether you like what they're saying or not.

The real question is whether you're going to be a WaPo-style hack stenographer who shows up at these events and whispers "These people are fairy wizards who can do real God-magic and transform the universe into a Science Fantasy wonderland!" Or you come at it from the Ed Zitron / Molly White / Riley Quinn / Any Sane Person at the Financial Times perspective, tearing into the actual balance sheets and analyzing the runways of these bloated economy leeches, and guestimating what future impact their continued operation will have on the rest of the domestic and global economies.

Tech Execs have to be taken seriously but not literally. When Zuck says he wants a trillion dollar spending line on datacenters to supercharge humanity, you have to read that with the same gravitas as a weather forecaster predicting a Cat-5 hurricane making landfall.

[–] cygnus@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

You nailed it. Attention accrues to them because of their money and the power it gives them, not the other way around. Without his money and control of OpenAI, Altman would be - along with Elon Musk - just another dork posting on Reddit during his shift at the electronics store, and would get the attendant amount of public attention. He's no smarter or dumber than the average guy, but we don't devote news articles to whatever the average guy thinks about something he heard on a podcast during his commute.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

These people suffer from a severe lack of imagination. Raised to pursue success along a solitary economic metric, they ignore all arts and sciences extraneous to that pursuit. They treat the world outside their interests like a children’s game they’re not really into. Their wealth insulates them from friction so effectively there’s no incentive or pressure for them to develop an imagination, or diversify their knowledge to the point where an imagination might emerge on its own.

That's the startling thing about these tech guys: they are utterly oblivious to life outside of their extremely narrow little domain, and they occupy that domain largely because they never had the imagination or curiosity to look past it. The Silicon Valley milieu they grew up in told them that success consisted in this one thing, and they just swallowed the story and dedicated their lives to it without ever pausing to question, investigate or think for themselves. They buy into ideologies without ever exploring alternatives. They condemn the humanities with no understanding of them, and no interest in learning. They constantly attempt to solve philosophical, existential or cultural problems with technology, because they don't even notice that they're not engineering problems. These are dull people, the sort who'd stockpile art as an investment and status symbol without ever looking at it for more than a few seconds. They're rich financially but in other ways everyone can see how impoverished they are except them.

[–] etherphon@piefed.world 10 points 1 week ago

I assumed that's why they all started to get into drugs and burning man and all of that, to try to be interesting and cool.

[–] OctopusNemeses@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

The following doesn’t apply to everybody in technology, but it applies to enough of them: At some point STEM education was the only thing the Olds cared about because of something something Asia, and now we have a couple of generations that are highly educated on paper and comically unaware of the complexity of the world outside of WordPress plugins.

I was going to say it's not just technology executives. I'm glad the author addressed this too. It's the whole industry.

People do this to ourselves too. How often do people see a tech nerd and think they're some sort of all knowing demigod.

"You're a tech guy. Here fix my thing."

"Tell me about such and such complex topic complete outside of your niche professional expertise but you're of the All Knowing so opine me your All Knowing wisdom."

Everybody just fucking stop already.

You trigger their autistic word vomit. They use an excessive amount of tech jargon you don't understand. So people assume it must be profound insight. In fact 99% of what they're saying is complete non-sense.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Well, let's circle back on this idea and run it up the flagpole and see if anyone salutes it, because that idea sounds actionable.

Wanna have fun with a CEO? Play dumb and ask them to explain one of their acronyms. I had a guy near tears by the third acronym.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

I had a guy near tears by the third acronym.

Sounds like a scum master

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 week ago (18 children)

Why are you describing me so well?

The number of times I've seen eyes glaze over after someone asked a question they shouldn't have and didn't want the answer to, is too damned high.

Also, sometimes, I'll go into a ridiculous level of detail just to intellectually beat someone over the head with how much I know so they'll stop asking questions. They seem to think they're being clever and trying to "prove" that tech guys don't know much more than the rest of the "tech literate".

I'll tell you, the amount of information in my brain from working IT support for a decade would make most people's head spin for hours. And that's not including the countless years of time in college, and doing personal/independent research, simply because a fancy new technology captured my ADHD hyperfocus.

I've gone from being a novice with a technology, discussing it with someone who seems to know a lot about the topic, to researching everything about it, and the next time I meet them, they don't have half of the knowledge of the subject that I do by that point. It happens... A lot.

If you don't want a lecture, and just want things to work stop asking questions, just tell me what you expect as the outcome and I'll figure out everything in-between.

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[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

In the past the people who knew about tech were promoting new things and the people who didn’t were skeptical.

With AI the people with less technical knowledge are gung ho and the ones who understand are skeptical.

[–] lmr0x61@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 week ago

This was a delightful read, especially since I agree with the premise fully. Those people need to shut the fuck up.

[–] BertramDitore@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 week ago

That was an awesome piece. We need more people willing to speak out about all the obvious bullshit like this, but more importantly we need this kind of critical thinking to reach the people who are uncritically driving the continued use of these crappy-ass tools that are burning the planet. I’m thinking about CEOs (who will only do anything if it helps their bottom line), but also about your boomer co-workers who think ChatGPT is the fucking messiah and remind you about it every chance they get.

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