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here's my reasoning, and it's much simpler: chuds commit 99% of the adventurism that happens

my reason for believing it’s a chud is that charlie kirk isn’t really much more than a joke among leftists for his odd face and preference for debating college kids, i feel like if a leftist were to target someone (which for any feds reading this, i disavow ) they would go for someone higher profile

Yeah when I heard 30-06 rifle I instantly thought "Oh, that's a right winger all right."

It's Utah, that rifle, and the target wasn't really someone the left gives a shit about. That does leave open the chance that it was a liberal of some flavor. Where I grew up it was fairly mixed as far as how they identified between lib and conservative. They all hunted deer though. And they all owned similar rifles except of course those who got weird with it and took up bow hunting. Pretty sure most of them still owned rifles.

I got my first shooting lessons from such redneck types. The type of family to pay for a huge mountain of sand to be dumped on a portion of their property so they can have a shooting range at home. (No, that's not a joke for non-Americans. People love their fucking guns.)

After the shooting I checked 4chan and they were all cheering because Kirk was a Jewish sympathizer (plus various, even more antisemitic, ways of phrasing that). I'm not going to pretend to know how the hell they came to that conclusion, and I'm even less going to pretend to care. But, yes, for whatever reason, the worst chuds hate this guy.

Like others pointed out, based on history alone it's likely a chud. There are leftist hunters and there are people who buy hunting rifles and only use them at the range or in their back yards. If you want a sniper rifle quickly and cheaply, that type of gun is it. It's easy to find as you can get them at any Bass Pro, Cabelas, Walmart, or Sporting Goods store. They don't require any licensing or special checks, just driver's license as you have to be 18. The cheap ones run around $400-$500. At that price point they're not perfect, but they get the job done. They can take down big game from relatively far away. Some people were saying the gun is an older model, so it could be grandpa's or dad's hunting rifle. I would wager it's not actually older though I don't care to spend time comparing photos. It's probably something they bought in the past few months.

Charlie was one of the biggest names to do the Epstein binder pageant a few months ago. He's also one of the first to immediately tell his fans to stop talking about it once Trump got mad. That caused anger. Given that it was recently, I would pick that as a candidate reason for motive. It's either a fan of a rival like Fuentes or it's one of his fans who didn't like his flip-flop. Kirk may have sucked up to Trump but that doesn't mean his fans are on board with Trump.

Really, we may never get a clear answer. We can't trust anything released by law enforcement on this and especially not from feds. Even the information about the gun may not be real. We're going on the word of people who are mad and upset one of theirs was shot and is admittedly working to form some kind of narrative.

been following Nick Fuentes on/off for awhile. the vile shit regularly spewing from him about Kirk is unhinged. it's reminiscent of what leftists do to each other about "not being left enough" and purity testing, but a whole another level with fascist violence/rhetoric + calls to violence added. it's so bad people in the trump admin and trump allies are openly scared of fuentes groypers.

i think you're 100% right. the shooter is easily a chud who is pissed/disillusioned with the trump admin + trump allies

most leftists live in cities. most reactionaries live in cities. most democrats live in cities. most republicans live in cities.

these are all facts, and none of them can be used to characterize the general politics of people who live in rural communities any more than demographic facts about LA can tell you about the value structure of a random guy in East Jerkwater, West Virginia. capitalists run all the political machines in the US, but they choose different brands and narratives to paper their projects, depending on the landscape.

if i had to lay odds, i would bet the shooter is a hard-to-parse configuration of mostly right wing politics from Salt Lake or Toole counties in Utah and works in the Salt Lake City, Utah Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA) with a tenuous, primarily historic-kinship connection to hunting; a father, an uncle, etc that hunts.

my logic: i just described the most typical/average utahan. if there's a common characteristic profile to assassins/vigilantes/whathaveyou, it's their isolation from community and alienation from common social grouping. every recent-ish shooter i can think of had politics all over the place, kind of like the average, politically incoherent american, and pundits/analysts both tried to either claim them or reject them, with varying levels of success, based more on their targets and easy narratives more than what they actually believed. this guy could come out as a right wing, christian identitarian anti-semite and i guarantee, much of the press and the influencer sphere will say he's a leftist because he wrote some anti-cop stuff on reddit in 2020.

the actual critical ethnography of people who do shit like this and their value systems will come much later, if at all, by some weird PhD candidate and nobody will read their articles/dissertation. it makes it difficult, re: impossible, to predict their politics with any rigor.

i do like the idea of it being some activated ex-mossad cut-out as part of some 5d plan (Project Argus: Phase IV), but that's because i like high level geopolitical conspiracies. i try to stay on the side of being entertained by them more than entertaining them myself. maybe one day i'll get some red yarn, a red sharpee, and go crazy on a wall with cut out photos, maps, and newspaper headlines.

It’s really rare in the USA for a leftist to shoot someone like that. Chances are it’s infighting, or a deal gone wrong among people who approved of his message .

History shows world wide most fascists die by other fascist in peacetime conditions

I’m sure it’s a chud. frankly I don’t think the American left has it in them for a lot of reasons, but one of them is they’d probably think about it for more than 5 seconds and not think it’s worth the adventurism

He probably had some esoteric ass groyper grievance with Kirk.

My money is on q anon freak that shot him because of something Epstein related.

EDIT: I believe the rifle found was something like this https://www.mauser.com/en/MAUSER-98-STD-Expert/80112511 Again, I find it very hard to believe a person would own and use this unless they were an avid deer hunter.

oh I can think of at least one other reason a right winger might have a pre-modern german bolt action rifle

My reasoning for him most likely being a reactionary is that someone having major grievances with Charlie Kirk to the point of wanting to kill him sounds more like fash infighting than anything else. It's like if someone tried to murder BadEmpanada or Shaun. They're not famous enough for most fascists to be able to recognize like Hasan.

The fash infighting is Kirk playing defense for Trump's association with Epstein. If it's fash infighting, then the fash in question sees Kirk backing Trump as a betrayal to MAGA.

I would think a single shot .30-06 was chosen as something that (1) is normal and doesn't attract attention, (2) is powerful and totally usable at range, and (3) potentially isn't too expensive to abandon despite meeting (2), with a potential side of (4) is easy to get. Just like I think his choice of attire doesn't mean anything beyond "didn't want to attract attention". Sure, it could be a normal outfit for him, it could also be something he picked up at a thrift store because his usual rainbow-emblazoned gear would be too conspicuous.

There are plenty of reasons to think he's a chud but not his choice of clothes or gun, both of which we only know he used for one (1) event (plus of course some training with it).

I don't think that's the rifle. Wasn't it collapsed into the shooter's backpack?

Also, as much as I think this is likely a groyper, I think you have the wrong image of leftists in Utah. I don't think they'd really look or hunt all that different from chuds.

I think it is probably a CHUD, because leftists generally understand that the blowback from shooting random CHUD figureheads would be a net negative, they'd quickly get replaced and the left gets further demonised and villified and cracked down on. Most leftists understand that isn't a successful path forward, and we need more organised groups to do things.

Additionally, CHUDs are always angry all the time and any little thing will set them off, this could've been some CHUD mad because Kirk disavowed the nazis or said something about women that wasn't just pure sexism.

I actually bet that it was a sapient grizzly that shot him

Lol this is incredibly dumb reasoning.

If they planned to get away, that rifle was owned by nobody, they only needed training

just coming back to this thread. looking at everything this AM after the arrest. dude is a groyper. you, and almost everyone else in here, was right.

pepe fascist halloween costume, fascist quotes (unironically) from Hell Divers, registered republican, and tracking commie kills in games....

also Nick Fuentes is losing his mind this AM. uh oh uh oh uh oh

9 out of 10 times it's a right winger.