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[–] expatriado@lemmy.world 149 points 1 week ago (5 children)

at least faux news took the effort of separating communism and socialism, as they often use those terms as they mean the same

[–] ook@discuss.tchncs.de 40 points 1 week ago (2 children)

"That's what a dirty commie would say!" shakes athritis-riddled fist in pain

[–] kautau@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

takes arthritis pills covered by medicare

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[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Oh my God, we've finally yelled at Americans on the internet enough that after A H U N D R E D F U C K I N G Y E A R S conservatives are vaguely aware that there's some linguistic difference!

It does work, guys!

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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 125 points 1 week ago (16 children)

What is it with Americans and this fear of socialism? Yes let's have some socialism, what the hell is the problem with that?

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 88 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Americans see China and think: "Oh no, very bad because of socialism/communism"

But as someone who was born in mainland China (I'm Chinese-American), PRC is nothing "socialist"/"communist" at all, its a horrible State-Capitalist Authroitarian Regime under the guise of Communist aesthetics. I don't fear socialism/communism because they never truely existed, in fact, I'd say that Norway or Finland (based on what info I could gather anyways, never personally been to Norway or Finland so I can't speak from experience) would be more closer to "socialism" than PRC, at least they actually have a social safety net, PRC doesn't.

As for why Americans fear these terms, I think it's because, for some people anyways, you can get labeled as an enemy of the state to even uttering "socialism"/"communism".

(Legal disclaimer to the FBI Agent reading this, just in case I have to make this clear: No, I am not a "communist", as in, I do not support the CCP or similar authoritarian parties, I just support a more egalitarain and democratic society however you want to call that, and my views are 100% compatible with the US Constitution, now fuck off FBI, stop trying to denaturalize me, maybe actualy investigate the traitor in the white house, for fuck sake)

[–] bent@feddit.dk 48 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Am Norwegian. We argue a lot of whether we live under socialism or capitalism, we have a pretty good mix of both I think. Also, I dont think they're really mutually exclusive, it's more like some parts of society like healthcare, trains and police make sense to do as socialism and other things like TV channels, grocery stores and construction make sense to do as regulated capitalism.

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

I would argue that the next step forward is to formally design an economic system that uses the principles of both. America's Constitution was based on the Magna Carta and other concepts, but went a step further and made dedicated rules for how political power interacts. While badly dated now, those rules lasted 250 years for a nation that exploded beyond a mere 13 colonies into a continental superpower.

I think making a clean ruleset that incorporates socialism and capitalism would allow them to excel at the things they do, while keeping their worst aspects at bay.

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[–] JayDee@lemmy.sdf.org 39 points 1 week ago (1 children)

McCarthyism is probably the most succinct answer. The Cold War directly aligned us against the Soviet Union, and a key means of villainizing the USSR and its citizenry was to paint their core governing beliefs as heretical to the American way.

There is also no doubt in my mind that Socialism's strong connection to Union activity in the US also incentivized Corporate Barons to lobby against Social Politics hard. I have not seen any specifics about that myself, though. Modern lobbying efforts are well-known, though.

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[–] shneancy@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago

cold war and the red scare once performed never went away

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[–] zebidiah@lemmy.ca 91 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Americans would rather spend $20k a year on useless health insurance, just to make sure their taxes don't accidentally pay for black and brown peoples healthcare...

[–] callouscomic@lemmy.zip 59 points 1 week ago (10 children)

American Elites and conservative morons.

Not all Americans. The majority have wanted socialized Healthcare for a long time, but actual political results rarely match the popular opinion here.

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[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 63 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

Aint no way a third of gen z has favorable views of communism. Maybe this is just my experience living in a red state but I know like 5 people irl who I would say have a favorable view of communism and I either convinced them of it or made an effort to find them through orgs. This is fox trying to scare republicans more than it is truth. I can't even mention communism to the average person I know without them vomiting American propaganda and thought terminating cliches

[–] MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com 69 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Maybe this is just my experience living in a red state

It is

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[–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 30 points 1 week ago (28 children)

Communism as a concept, or what the world actually got?

Because those are not the same thing.

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[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Cato institute is not a very reliable source imo. Admittedly did not look up this study but this is TV news and they are in the business first and foremost of trying to frighten their viewers (never watch TV news BTW). Fox viewers would be petrified by these numbers. I'm guessing that perhaps a disproportionate portion of the sample was college students, city dwellers or even just people that know how to read. Ie. Not a representative sample most likely. Also, this is not the demographic politicians pay the most attention to.

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[–] crank0271@lemmy.world 52 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Also, the graphic clearly shows 18 - 29 but Mr. Sauer says "18 - 39." Let's socialize the education up in here.

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[–] chiruyuki@ani.social 49 points 1 week ago (9 children)

It still baffles me how some Americans will fight against universal healthcare, like ??? Do you WANT to be put in debt cuz you had an easily-treatable illness??? I don't get it, honestly

[–] turtlesareneat@discuss.online 32 points 1 week ago (2 children)

My mom had a spinal fusion in the 90s which she got in debt for.

About 15 years ago my lung spontaneously collapsed. Several surgeries later, the bill was $315,000. I was on Obamacare because of the mandate, thank god. I paid $19.

My mom found out and told me I "deserved to go bankrupt" because people like her had struggled for so long with their medical bills.

I don't speak to her anymore

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[–] Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Americans are willing to give up everything they own if it means some hypothetical strawman isn't "mooching" off of their propaganda headcanon.

Success is suffering and hard work and if everyone isn't suffering then life isn't fair. Fuck this entire viewpoint, but it's one of the main American traits ruining socialist ideals.

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[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 46 points 1 week ago

The US healthcare system is proof that more Mario brothers are required.

[–] CatDogL0ver@lemmy.world 46 points 1 week ago (8 children)

My friend got cancer and she lost her job. Luckily her parents pay for her insurance out of pocket. Even the treatments are covered, she still needs to pay for copay and deductibles. This is America. When you are down, we kick you further down. No developed country does that except us

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[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 37 points 1 week ago (25 children)

the funniest part is that's not even what socialism is.

[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

"Socialism is when government does stuff like laws and currency."

[–] BleatingZombie@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago

"Socialism is when they take some gold from the dragon"

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[–] Monument@lemmy.sdf.org 36 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Currently waiting to begin taking a medication my doctor prescribed because the pharmacy wouldn’t fill it without prior authorization from the insurance company, but to do that, they had to go back to the doctor to request the doctor fill out paperwork to send to the insurer.

During the appointment with the doctor, we already discussed that my insurer likely will not cover the medication, but looked up the retail price, which is not beyond my means or out of scale with the benefit I expect it to bring me. I’m okay paying out of pocket, but my pharmacy is locked into this process that has stretched out over a holiday weekend, so it’s likely I’ll get the medicine a week later than I otherwise would have.

This is more mental health related, and I’m okay physically, but if the blood tests and years of failed approaches from other methods are any indication, then this could show immediate and significant impact.
But I have to wait for the wheels of capitalism to grind on, so they can ensure maximum value extraction from a very expensive insurance policy.

[–] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Your pharmacy lied. There is no legal requirement to try to bill insurance first they presumably stand in many cases to bill them more especially if you cash paid only after coupons or patient assistance programs which are essentially coupons.

Thus they choose to follow this process and lie to you.

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[–] AlexLost@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

Guess what. I visit my doctor, for free, (or dentist for $$$) they give me a prescription, I go to a pharmacy and give them the slip, they take some time to fill it, explain how to take it, and then I pay a small fee (80% covered by employer health plan at no direct cost to me) and walk away. Canadian healthcare system at work.

Sure, I have to wait sometimes for major surgery based on the triage approach (most serious cases seen first) but it is painlessly easy to get the care I need when I need it. This is how most of the developed world works. Your country is cheating you.

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[–] InvalidName2@lemmy.zip 34 points 1 week ago (6 children)

My insurance premiums are closer to $12,000 a year (basically a hop, skip, and a jump from $1,000 a month).

It certainly isn't the most expensive plan I found, but it was up there. I knew about all the shitty practices by insurance companies, but I tried to do my research to ensure that my prescriptions and doctors were covered, and I hoped that with a plan this expensive, I might be a bit insulated from the worst of it.

Then I had an emergency. Three things that my insurance did not cover really stood out to me.

The ambulance was considered out of network, so I am on the hook for 100% of the cost. You don't have any choice about which service picks you up.

The doctor was out of network, so I have to pay 100% of his charges. I know he probably approved my treatment or reviewed my test results, whatever, but I never saw him and the only treatment I received came from the nurses.

I was given 2 ibuprofen. They cost me $45. I was given several different and conflicting reasons why, but ultimately, I'm on the hook for that.

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[–] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago

Capitalism is the best marketing socialism has ever had.

[–] jaschen306@sh.itjust.works 27 points 1 week ago (7 children)

I have some good news for the Gen Zers. America is capitalism with a socialism backbone. Things like social securit, fire departments, national parks, roads, schools, electricity, water, police, jails, courts, unemployment, banking(FDIC), CDC, military, space programs, and so much more are paid by your taxes and redistributed wealth just like socialism.

The problem is when money mixes with politics from things like Citizens United, you start seeing policies shifting away from socialism to capitalism.

This can all be reversed once we remove all money from politics.

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[–] clot27@lemmy.zip 27 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is why I want america to be screwed up completely. So Americans wake up and realize what theyve been enforcing on global south for decades.

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[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 24 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I'm Canadian. I highly doubt I pay more than $15k in taxes to get my free healthcare.

[–] stormeuh@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I bet you get tons of free bonuses too: roads, public education, pensions... Damn, seems like this whole government thing is quite efficient, with the no shareholders taking profits and stuff.

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[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I think they are learning about how much stuff costs and just went: "You know what, screw the stuff they teach at school, lets try X political system"

Like I doubt they even understand different political systems such as socialism, its just they are so fed up with the current system, they just don't care anywmore and are willing to try any alternatives.

But they don't actually know what alternative is good, so that's why you also see some of them go towards the alt-right pipeline, as you can see with Gen Z Men voting for trump

[–] T156@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago

They also don't have good, compelling reasons to stay with the current system. They're not getting much out of it, and the "oh, but the computer you're making this on was created under capitalism" isn't that compelling of an argument, especially when the alternative is choosing between eating, and buying the medication that stops your blood turning into acid.

The whole "system of true opportunity, where the best and brightest can shine" rings hollow when you're working multiple jobs to survive, no matter how smart you are, and it feels like you're extorted at every opportunity.

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[–] BigMacHole@sopuli.xyz 16 points 1 week ago

FREE HEALTHCARE is SOCIALISM! FREE SCHOOLING is SOCIALISM! NOT being Gunned Down in School is SOCIALISM! NOT letting Elon Musk fire Hundreds of Thousands of Workers is SOCIALISM! SOCIALISM SUCKS!

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

Glad to see that people distinguish socialism and communism.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (14 children)

But 16 years ago, democrats gave us watered-down heritage foundation health policy and haven't done shit since! Gen Z are clearly a bunch of ingrates.

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 20 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Don't forget that ever since the other side has been trying to tear down that watered down version too, so what little people are given is always under threat of being removed

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