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Arnaud Bertrand

This is extraordinary. For the many of you who wonder how the EU could agree to such a humiliating "deal" with Trump, wonder no more.

We have an unusually straightforward answer directly from the horse's mouth: Sabine Weyand, who's the Directorate-General for Trade at the EU commission.

As she puts its:

  • "If you didn't hear me say the word 'negotiation' – that's because there wasn't one." => the U.S. dictated the terms
  • "From the Commission's perspective, this was a strategic compromise, not an ideal economic solution" => they're aware this completely f*cks the EU economically
  • "The European side was under massive pressure to find a quick solution to stabilize transatlantic relations – especially with regard to security guarantees" => the EU agreed to the "deal" under a protection racket
  • "We have a land war on the European continent. And we are completely dependent on the United States. The member states were not prepared to take the risk of further escalation – that would have been the consequence of European countermeasures." => Europe acted out of fear, choosing economic submission because of its total dependence on the U.S. (which ironically will only worsen the dependence)

There you have it, she said the quiet part out loud: the EU is in such a terrible strategic situation and EU leaders have so little courage that they're unable and unwilling to say 'no' to even the most humiliating demands.

https://xcancel.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1960603151154790469

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[–] Cochise@lemmy.eco.br 8 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

I'm amazed how these European liders really believe Russia will invade and anex the whole continent. This is not baseless, it's pure fantasy. It's not even worth as propaganda because it's too absurd.

And they are bending to US because of this fervish dream.

[–] homhom9000@hexbear.net 2 points 3 hours ago

What's the worse that can happen if Russia takes over the continent? They become neoliberal hellholes ran by oligarchs?

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 11 hours ago

The funniest part here is that they're creating a self fulfilling prophecy. Except, Russia isn't going to invade the EU with their army. Instead, they're going to exploit the unravelling economic situation in the EU and do political capture. All the current neoliberal governments are already hanging by a thread, and once nationalists get in, they're going to have no problem working with Russia to get cheap energy and resources in return.

[–] miz@hexbear.net 34 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"We have a land war on the European continent."

heavens to Betsy, you mean we're not just unilaterally bombing some brown people???!!? pearl-clutch

[–] BeanisBrain@hexbear.net 13 points 23 hours ago

lol Vietnam has a war much closer to its own border than 90% of these European countries and you don't see it going into panic mode.

[–] Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 1 day ago (2 children)

So I am trying to think of this from a material perspective. What value does Europe really provide to the US now? They've essentially ensured it will not reindustrialize, and it isn't exactly known for it's plentiful natural resources either. It seems to me there are very limited material advantages to long term control of europe for the US. Atleast under this model. They act as a bullet sponge in the event of WW3, and a bunch of cannon fodder to use against Russia. They could act as a tourist zone for the US to send their petite bourgoise to. Although i feel as though the US doesn't need that it has plenty of geographically closer options. It acts as a captive market for US goods, but the US barely makes goods, and Europe isn't going to be rolling in dough after the US guts their economy either. So how much buying power will they have in say 20 years?

The only thing that makes sense to me is they want to take a potential competitor off the board, and turn Europe into one giant Ukraine. Where they send their surplus weapons and let the Euros fight Russia for them while the US fights China. The timeline for doing that is pretty specific. It would take maybe 10ish years for the Europeans to be prepared enough to really stand a chance. They'll do massive austerity in the mean time to afford their militarization. So after say another 10 years they'll start to trend in the other direction. Their economy crumbling to such a degree they can't keep spending on the military they just rebuilt. So that gives the US a time window roughly from 2035-2045 to start their big war that they so clearly want.

It also gives the US time to onshore production of things like Chips, and stabilize their own economy for a big war. So the timeline should work out. They'll probably focus on securing their immediate surroundings in the mean time. Which matches what they've been doing. Agression in Latin America, and towards Canada, and Greenland to keep those nations in line. They'd want to destabilize the middle east to deny it's oil reserves to Russia, and China too, and transition US oil to the american sources. Texas, and Venezuela.

So if my hunch is right we should see the US invade venezuela within the next 2-3 years or so. We will see major moves in the EU towards austerity, and them militarizing by buying US weapons. A bigger push to decouple the US supply chain from Asia. More agression in the middle east especially towards Iran. Then by about 2035 if all that has already happened we should be on WW3 watch. It could be a bit sooner, or a bit later than 2035 too. Depends how things go for them.

[–] jorge@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

That might be the statesian intention, but, last I checked, it exports to China raw material and imports technology, just as if it was China's periphery. It can't make its own chips, drones, or rare earths. Its offense (never was "defense") industry is corrupt and inefficient. It lost to Yemen, whose real (PPP) GDP is 436 times smaller than the US.

Can the US change that? Biden tried to revive the chip industry, but execs and shareholders simply pocketed the public funds. Now Trump tries to reindustrialize via chaotic tariffs, while cutting education, infrastructure and science, which were already bad. This should kill the remains of statesian industry.

The US is lead by a man who was already obscurantist and mentally incompetent before going senile. It runs a $ 2 trillion deficit, so the debt should grow quickly, while GDP grows by meager 1,9% (2025 forecast by IMF) and probably less in the future because of the suicidal cuts mentioned above. Debt to GDP ratio is already at 120%.

World opinion is rapidly turning against US and Israel and towards China and even Russia. The US is already below China and just slightly above Russia. With the US falling and Russia climbing, Russia could surpass the US in the near future.

China on the other hand already has 30% higher real GDP than the US, with 4,8% growth forecast (IMF) for 2025. Its infrastructure and technology are expanding at an incredible rate. China used 6.6 gigatons of concrete in 2011 to 2013 (3 years) while the US used 4.5 gigatons of concrete from 1901 to 2000 (100 years).

I fear the US would still wage a war on China out of desperation; after all, it is a country of bloodthirsty political extremists and religious fanatics. The secretary of "defense" is covered in tattoos glorifying the crusades and wrote a book titled "American Crusade" explaining the US is in a holy war against Islam and China.

But while the US might start such a war, I think it will be fairly short war.

What am I missing?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2014/12/05/china-used-more-concrete-in-3-years-than-the-u-s-used-in-the-entire-20th-century-infographic/

[–] Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 8 hours ago

Oh i never claimed their plans would work. but the structure of the US economy does not allow for a peaceful decline of empire. It makea war inevitable. Without Imperialism, global financial control, and dollar dominance the entire house of cards comes falling down.

The singular area the US still has an ability to compete is the military. They do have domestic military production. Unlike nonmilitary goods. Although many of these rely upon raw material imports they are working to secure supply lines for these from areas within the American sphere.

They will inevitably choose to pull the only lever they have left. Their military. History has shown that a dysfunctional and ill planned war can still do massive damage. Look at Germany in WW2. They had no oil and yet went to war anyway. This was ultimately their downfall. The Soviets denied them access to the oil fields and their war machine ground to a halt. Not before doing much damage though.

Now we have a similarly illogical military power who happens to have nuclear weapons. It is a recipe for disaster.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 1 day ago (3 children)
[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

Always nice to re-read one of your pieces. By the way, i just caught this typo:

The sabotage of Nord Stream 2 severed Russia’s cheap gas supplies overnight

You probably meant to say Germany's?

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 hour ago

Thanks, I was trying to say gas supply from Russia, but yeah saying Germany's would make more sense there :)

[–] Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I can't help but think that the US is blinded by racism. They see Europe as the biggest game changer, but personally i think Africa is far more important. China seems to agree. Their focus on building a Bloc focuses on the global south not Europe. A major miscalculation by the US in my opinion.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 23 hours ago

I completely agree, racism is a huge aspect of the whole western project. People who run the empire see themselves as being superior, they see they see the global south purely in colonial terms.

[–] dastanktal@hexbear.net 6 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Wonderful read, thank you for sharing.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 23 hours ago
[–] porcupine@lemmygrad.ml 33 points 1 day ago

The EU would rather sell their people to the US than allow Russians to live in Russia.

[–] larrikin99@hexbear.net 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

who has the full article? archive isn't working for this article. the twitter screen appears to be a partial translation.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 23 hours ago

I couldn't find the whole thing either, hence linking to the tweet.

[–] marxisthayaca@hexbear.net 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

i just want someone to stand up to Trump and he'll fold like a paper towel. Why can't anyone see that? Do you have no way to act in an emergency, create powers and support of the European economy that doesn't infringe on your precious EU, while standing up to the crook?

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In order to stand up to Trump, you actually have to have credible alternatives. Trump understands that the EU has been backed into a corner, and whatever damage there is to the US, it will be far worse for the EU. The only option the EU had was China, and they rejected that. Now, daddy is coming to collect.

[–] sisatici@hexbear.net -1 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Man, I would be very happy if Europe actually stood against usa. We are talking about Europe, not a colonised country with 2 million population and 90% their land as dessert . Europe has no one but theirselves if they can not stand up to USA. They have so many options and they chose the worst of them

[–] MizuTama@hexbear.net 15 points 1 day ago

We are talking about Europe

not a colonised country

Word country there doing a lot of liftin'

[–] Samsuma@lemmy.ml 9 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

We are talking about Europe, not a colonised country with 2 million population and 90% their land as dessert.

🤨 ... يا سلام

Interesting choice of words...

A stronger EU would consequently mean the EU immediately cranking up their imperialism and colonization game on the Global South like it's the 1800s. Multipolarity without the EU would be much preferred thank you very much..

[–] BeanisBrain@hexbear.net 6 points 23 hours ago

90% their land as dessert

Man, why does no one ever talk about Caketopia's enduring struggle against European imperialism