871

Manhattan Supreme Court Justice Arthur Engoron on Thursday released a written order detailing why he determined Donald Trump's Wednesday sworn testimony denying that he attacked a court clerk "rings hollow and untrue" after he fined the former president $10,000 for his second violation of a partial gag order meant to protect courtroom staff.

The former president had claimed on the witness stand that he had been referring to his former lawyer and fixer Michael Cohen as the "partisan" sitting "alongside" Engoron when he spoke to reporters outside the courtroom on Wednesday. But the judge was unconvinced, deeming that excuse "not credible."

"Witnesses do not sit 'alongside' the judge, they sit in the witness box, separated from the judge by a low wooden barrier," Engoron wrote in the order, obtained by The Messenger. "Further, Donald Trump's past public statements demonstrate him referring to Michael Cohen directly by his name, or by a derogatory name, but in all circumstances, he is unambiguous in making it known he is referring to Michael Cohen."

He added: "Using imprecise language as an excuse to create plausible ambiguity about whether defendant violated this Court's unequivocal gag order is not a defense; the subject of Donald Trump's public statement to the press was unmistakably clear."

top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[-] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 189 points 1 year ago

Calling it now.

Trump Tower will be renamed: The Barack Hussain Obama Center for Multicultural and Gender Studies

[-] MermaidsGarden@lemmy.world 53 points 1 year ago

If there’s any justice in this world it will be

[-] jrbaconcheese@yall.theatl.social 53 points 1 year ago

…For Kids Who Can’t Read Good

[-] gianni@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 year ago

This needs to be at least…. 3 times bigger!

[-] Pistcow@lemm.ee 29 points 1 year ago

Wednesday night is Drag Queen night!

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

Honestly. If I had the disposable income... I'd buy Trump Tower, and branding rights to "trump"... and then, like turn the tower into a homeless shelter.

[-] TechyDad@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

Apparently, Trump's naming rights are tied up in the Trump Org that's likely to be disbanded and sold off thanks to this case. So his own name could be sold to someone else to use. I'm really hoping some progressive group buys it just to open "Trump LGBTQ Safe Spaces." Though, at the same time, I don't think his name would make many feel "safe." So maybe "Trump Waste Removal Company"? Their slogan could be "We Know How To Deal With Massive Amounts of Garbage."

load more comments (2 replies)
[-] calabast@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago

I mean, I'd prefer "The Barack Hussain Obama Center for Children Who Can’t Read Good and Wanna Learn to Do Other Stuff Good Too" but I'll take anything at this point.

load more comments (3 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[-] nicetriangle@kbin.social 160 points 1 year ago

He added: “Using imprecise language as an excuse to create plausible ambiguity about whether defendant violated this Court’s unequivocal gag order is not a defense; the subject of Donald Trump’s public statement to the press was unmistakably clear.”

Damn I really wanna see a lot more of this kinda scrutiny on the weasel word bullshit.

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] gibmiser@lemmy.world 128 points 1 year ago

Judge calling him out for using toddler tactics. Nice.

load more comments (2 replies)
[-] DirkMcCallahan@lemmy.world 126 points 1 year ago

"Hollow and Untrue" would be a great name for a Trump mini-series.

[-] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 17 points 1 year ago

His niece really nailed it with Too Much and Never Enough

load more comments (3 replies)
[-] lolola@lemmy.blahaj.zone 96 points 1 year ago

"Using imprecise language as an excuse to create plausible ambiguity about whether defendant violated this Court’s unequivocal gag order is not a defense; the subject of Donald Trump’s public statement to the press was unmistakably clear."

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago

“Using imprecise language as an excuse to create plausible ambiguity about whether defendant violated this Court’s unequivocal gag order is not a defense; the subject of Donald Trump’s public statement to the press was unmistakably clear.”

Its also a harken back to what Cohen said. That he doesn't say things explicitly. He asks like a mob boss asks.

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 58 points 1 year ago

Why doesn't the crybaby bonespur loser just shut up and stop committing crimes for once? 😄

[-] takeda@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

I still don't understand what makes Republicans going so deep into his ass: https://youtu.be/P4VwFYtltDw?t=5m13s

[-] HoustonHenry@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

I'm leaning towards him having dirt on the entire GOP (or most of 'em)

[-] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 45 points 1 year ago

I think if Trump had direct dirt on them, he's too stupid to not blab it out at some point during all the infantile name-calling he calls "campaigning".

More likely is that Putin has kompromat on most of the GOP, and the threat of ol' Putin-on-the-Blitz giving that information to Trump is what allows him to hold on to their short and curlies.

load more comments (2 replies)
[-] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's pretty simple. He gets votes. Votes let them personally get money. Everything is on the table if it gets votes.

They will do anything to get votes because votes make them money personally, either directly with tax cuts, or via bribes for tax cuts.

Thats it.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (6 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[-] uphillbothways@kbin.social 44 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Every time he gets fined he pulls millions in donations. Throw his ass in the can. Keep him there until his legal troubles are sorted. He's facing 90 something felonies. (think I've seen 91 and/or 94 different charges referred to.)

He should still be able to make most of his court appearances from MDC Brooklyn. They've dealt with high profile inmates plenty of times. Stop letting him play the legal system like a fiddle for personal gain.

[-] dynamojoe@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

I honestly think the next time he runs afoul of the gag order he'll get a few days for contempt. Whether they'll be immediately suspended pending appeal I don't know, but it's one of the things a judge can do to enforce order immediately and without a lot of oversight. There's case after case of some perp mouthing off to the judge and immediately earning a few weeks in jail and Trump has had $15k worth of warnings now. The next offense should be a hotel stay.

load more comments (3 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[-] Syrc@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago

Trump melts down

FINALLY!

on Truth Social

…oh. Guess the celebrations will have to be postponed again.

load more comments (2 replies)
[-] Veneroso@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago

If he gets time in jail he could write a book about his struggle. "My Struggle"

load more comments (6 replies)
[-] stopthatgirl7@kbin.social 34 points 1 year ago

but this Judge and his 'boss,' Letitia Peekaboo James

He just had to get that borderline racist little dig in, didn’t he.

load more comments (7 replies)
[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago

Yep. "Downfall", the bunker scene. With Trump sitting at the desk.

[-] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 year ago

"Downfall", the bunker scene. With Trump sitting at the desk.

Dormak and Jalad, at Tanagra.

load more comments (4 replies)
[-] paddirn@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

I imagine it's more like him sitting on a toilet, furiously typing away on his phone. He'd be fat-fingering his phone if not for the fact that he has such small hands.

load more comments (2 replies)
load more comments (2 replies)
[-] ohmyiv@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago

When are we going to start having mental health/psychological examinations for our politicians? I feel that should be a minimum requirement.

[-] knobbysideup@lemm.ee 19 points 1 year ago

A TS/SCI background investigation would cover it. One would think the commander in chief should be able to hold a security clearance. Then there's Ivanka and Jared with China and the Saudis. But hunter biden did what?

[-] Neato@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago

That would be abused as quickly as a poll test would.

load more comments (8 replies)
[-] MedicPigBabySaver@lemm.ee 22 points 1 year ago

Trump should be treated the same as the shit that goes down my kitchen sink and I flip a switch to shred and drain it.

[-] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 year ago

You're shitting in the kitchen sink?

load more comments (7 replies)
load more comments (3 replies)
[-] friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

I wonder if Trump could even define plausible ambiguity.

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] Pratai@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 year ago
load more comments (1 replies)
[-] letsgocrazy@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago

Good on the judge.

Scumbags like Trump thrive in the gaps and ambiguities that normal decency shouldn't have to fill. They break down standards of decency that shouldn't have to be codified.

Authoritarians and people who need authority will do anything they can get away with - but we can't write laws for every single little scheme anyone could ever come to up with.

We need guiding principles and a respect for the spirit of the law.

Trump tried to play innocent but it doesn't count in the courtroom.

His audience can't help him in there.

load more comments
view more: next ›
this post was submitted on 26 Oct 2023
871 points (97.4% liked)

politics

19159 readers
4432 users here now

Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!

Rules:

  1. Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.

Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.

Example:

  1. Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
  2. Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
  3. No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
  4. Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
  5. No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.

That's all the rules!

Civic Links

Register To Vote

Citizenship Resource Center

Congressional Awards Program

Federal Government Agencies

Library of Congress Legislative Resources

The White House

U.S. House of Representatives

U.S. Senate

Partnered Communities:

News

World News

Business News

Political Discussion

Ask Politics

Military News

Global Politics

Moderate Politics

Progressive Politics

UK Politics

Canadian Politics

Australian Politics

New Zealand Politics

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS