If they take a netflicks show as evidence, I seriously doubt you will be able to convince them otherwise.
Yeah. Also it's not my place to raise adults. But a part of me wishes to plant a seed of skepticism. I have a hard time nodding and going along with it. I feel compelled to question it rather than going along with this kind of small talk.
Your answer is right there. Plant seeds of doubt. Ask questions about it. Wow! Did they get footage?! Really? There must be two sources for such a wild thing to have happened! What does Snopes say? Lmfao
You don't have to convince them but you also don't have to listen either.
You just have to decide that any issues with cutting them off when they start talking about it is worth the effort or if it may cause problems at work.
I've watched some of the shows because they do actually lead to some interesting archeological digs I hadn't heard of before... However there's one thing that always nags me when watching this stuff -- why do they always think ancient humans were so stupid? It is believed that the human brain has not changed for around 100,000 years, which means that no matter how far back you go in our observable history, those people had the same capacity for rational thought as we do. Sure, we have a huge advantage through the knowledge of written history, but even a cave man had the same ability as we do to accomplish a task with the materials at hand.
You'll also note they always ask a modern engineer how they would accomplish tasks such as moving large stones, and the answer is always something like "I would use modern machinery" because of course we've come to rely on them and nobody today ever tries to think of any other way to perform the same task. How were the great pyramids built? They always claim it can't be done today, while conveniently ignoring all of the theories of how they did probably move those blocks.
So I guess my skepticism on those types of shows is that they intentionally leave out significant details to make everything sound more woo-woo (every big claim they make probably already has a wikipedia page providing legitimate answers or at least giving factual details). Sure there are some things that still aren't understood but just because you see some glowing lights doesn't immediately mean aliens are involved. Even though I do believe there is other life out there, I haven't seen any evidence yet on these shows that I would consider "proof" of visitations, but rather just a whole lot of "this is how we interpret the data to fit our conspiracy theory."
Are you sure they are taking it seriously? I’ve watched a bunch of Ancient Aliens and it was fun entertainment so long as it is recognized as just entertainment. The main voice in the show makes me fall asleep so I’ve technically had most episodes play across my screen. Me and coworkers make comments regularly that “it’s aliens man” as the reason for things. None of us see it as more than humor and maybe that’s the case with your people.
Highly recommend the podcast 'It's probably not aliens' if you want to find out more about the real history of the claims made in these kind of shows, and how the claims of aliens are often rooted in racism and colonialism
Thanks. I've been needing more podcasts anyway :)
That being the case, the excellent podcast Our Fake History talks about aliens in Who Built The Pyramids part III (obviously you should listen to part 1 and 2 first). This episode builds on some other episodes (Sebastian debunks all kinds of other garbage historical myths) and some familiar names tend to come up over and over. Who Are The Magicians Of The God and Was There A Real Atlantis are other episodes that might have some relevance to the KIND of arguments your coworkers are likely making.
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Ignore it or mock it. I start preaching about Great Cthulhu at people who have loonie beliefs, and let them try to debunk me.
I've got good at reciting "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!" in a high-pitched preacher voice.
Patiently explain that "alien encounters" are just the playful trickery of the Fae, who have been pulling this sort of thing for much longer than anyone was imagining spaceships.
You're approaching it wrong. Don't fight them. Fake interest and talk with them to investigate their stupid believes. Try to understand why they believe it, how did they get brainwashed, what defence mechanism they have in place to discredit real science. It can be fascinating experience for you and you will learn a lot about people in general.
Or just stonewall them if you don't want to deal with that nonsense.
Yes, you can also do it but I really think it's good to investigate people like this a bit. Couple years ago I spend some times watching the craziest videos about alternative science from my country and I think I actually learned a lot. My take now is that a lot of people pushing those things are actually smart and have a lot of charisma but without proper education. They don't understand science because they never learned about so society tells them they are stupid. This creates growing frustration in them and when they stumble on alternative science they suddenly have an explanation: it's not that I'm stupid, the science is wrong. Alternative science is a lot simpler, more intuitive and they can shine there and become some sort of leader. I notices they all tell the same (obviously made up) story: some guy said my invention is stupid but then I showed him how it works and it blew his mind and he was amazed at how great it is. Showing society they are actually the smart ones and everyone else is wrong is one of their main fantasies.
One of my coworkers was big into conspiracy and I had one conversation with him trying to understand where he's coming from with all of this. I quickly realized that changing his mind was impossible because he wasn't even talking with me, he was talking at me. After that I just smiled and nodded at everything he said. He's yet to realize this
"How to deal with Ancient aliens in the workplace?"
Man, for a second I thought you are talking about older, immigrant co-workers.
Let people be wrong.
I'm with this. Unless it is about work, let people believe what they want. Or else you end up discussing a lot of stuff like religion and politics in a place it doesn't need to be.
Woah woah woah. Hold on a second. There are actually people who take Ancient Aliens seriously?! I thought we all watched it because it was hilariously stupid.
You already made up your mind that you won't believe alien stuff, and you don't want to offend your coworkers. Then just treat those alien stuff as their hobby. When your coworkers talk about their hobby, what would you usually do? Certainly not trying to shit on their hobby, unless you don't like those coworkers.
This is not worth challenging, especially if you are outnumbered. You are not likely to change their beliefs with evidence. The beliefs are flexible and can be endlessly swapped out with new beliefs that demand new evidence. I don't know what you should do but you definitely shouldn't attempt to change their minds like that.
This isn't the hill you want to die on. If they ask for your input, just say that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and shrug. Most people follow these things because they're exciting in an otherwise unexciting life, not because they're dedicating their lives to discovering alien life or invading area 51.
If they try to debate you, just say ok and smile. You're not going to logic someone out of a position they didn't logic themselves into.
If you're feeling up to it, you could just tell them about the invisible dragon in your garage, or the teapot that's currently orbiting the sun.
Perfect. Refuting unfounded beliefs isn't worthwhile. Being honest, kind and interesting is about as much as we can do.
You've managed to outline how to do that perfectly. I recognise the jist from my time in the atheism areas of Reddit.
You should pick your battles. Think pretty carefully about what you actually want to debate/pushback on because it's exhaustive and requires you to research the topic. It's probably a waste of your time doing the research to debunk these alien sightings since a new one pops up every few months.
"Stilted"?
You sir, are one of those fucking amazing people who profusely apologize for not being a native English speaker and then blurt out 37 paragraphs of perfect English.
You have nothing to be ashamed of - your English is better than a lot of them native speakers ! And always remember this :
"You are speaking English because that is the only language you know; I am speaking English because that is the only language you know. We are not the same."
And as to your original question - if I ever ask them "what evidence did you see which proves X happens?", I have almost always been hit with the reply, "Oh yeah? What proof do you have that says X does not happen???". And then I tell them the anecdote of the Invisible Dragon by Carl Sagan. Look it up if this is new to you, and for a more formal treatment, check out Karl Popper's theory of Falsifiability.
I have personally converted at least one conspiracy theorist to being an Agnostic. So I know it works. Try them out, it's fun.
And I also am not a native English speaker to be honest :-)
I mean, if you are so disinterested in the conversation that you would ask the internet how to have your side of it rather than check out the show, maybe you just shouldn’t have that conversation. Change the subject or tell them you’re not into it. Who cares if they believe there are aliens?
Personally, I find it impossible to believe there isn’t other intelligent life out there. It’s not because of blurry photos or spooky stories. It’s that the universe is just so vast and there’s so much we will never understand about this place we are in. How can it not be out there? Frankly, it takes more faith to believe there isn’t something.
With that perspective, I do occasionally find those shows interesting. Not because it’s proof of anything but because it’s fun to watch and wonder what it is. It doesn’t have to make you a believer or a non-believer. There’s obviously something in the videos. What it is and where it comes from is entirely different. It’s just entertainment for people who like to indulge in a little speculation.
I used to watch this YouTube channel ~5 years ago, called Lets Chat, where a guy would go to different places and have conversations with people about their beliefs.
Digging through my history, it looks like the technique is called Street Epistemology. It's basically a way to understand deeply held beliefs without coming across rudely. Here's a site I found that explains the process well
This might sound like a crazy answer from a crazy person but hear me out. If they are good people and you're somewhat familiar with them, just call them kooks, say that shit's all made up and dismiss it. just don't be aggressive about it, people can still be on good terms without agreeing on everything. Just be like "nah man, no way that happened these shows are just people who want attention, if it was real there'd be better evidence and it'd be all over the news."
I honestly think this is the best way to go, you're engaging them honestly, attacking the show, not them. And so long as you don't get hung up on their response or 'winning the argument' I think you can all remain on good terms. How you go about this obviously depends on how friendly you are with them but if they're good people they'll still be your friend even if you're too dumb to see the truth about aliens.
Have fun man. Start coming up with even crazier theories and one up them to the extreme with ever bolder madness, get creative. "Pfft you think Japan it real? They don't want you to know that we bombed them out of existence and we gave the country to the Venusians! It was all part of Reagan's contract in exchange for more nuclear power, but he was a lizard…"
The Italian military has been simulating Japan with AI for centuries now. The Italians took one of their own words, tiramisu, and made up a whole language from that.
It's no coincidence ちらみす looks like spaghetti. They literally made this alphabet by throwing spaghetti at the wall and then started borrowing evolved bone-script from the Chinese when they got bored with pasta-to-wall terrorism!
For the sort of thing you describe, unless it affects the operation of the company, I just ignore it. I don't feel the need to correct other people's beliefs unless it's getting in the way of my work. Or socialize at work, beyond a purely practical amount.
If it's mandatory that I socialize with them for some reason, and they cannot abide people who don't believe everything they do, I try to change the subject to something where there's more common ground. If they force the matter, and leaving is not permitted, I just lie -- if they're being that dense, it's not like they value my true thoughts much anyway.
Carl Sagan wrote a book, The Demon Haunted World, which is all about why people get sucked into nonsense like ancient aliens, and how to deal with it.
You can't reason people out of a belief they didn't reason themselves into.
Just say you're not interested in their weird hobby.
I went to training with coworkers from another site. They were raving about some "documentary" that said the government had alien technology. They kept trying to get me to watch it all week but I just kept saying I forgot.
In reality I watched about 10 minutes and it just set up these alternative history hypothese then reenacted them. It was moronic so I just steered the convo to football or whatever to get them to shutup.
If they didn’t use reason and logic to make up their minds, you don’t stand much of a chance using them to change their minds.
Just ignore and avoid the topic the best you can. Don't confront. Just go, "ohh ok" and move on. Pretend you need to go to the toilet or that you have something else to do if you can't break free from the conversation.
It's about as futile as trying to convince a religious fanatic that their views may not be ideal for everyone; you just don't. Ignore and avoid.
Start attributing your local cultural heritage to aliens. That fancy building? Aliens.
It may force your coworkers to clarify their statements to racism, but then you can hide behind the "but how do they steel beam?" logic.
Did you know my grandfather was an alien? That makes me 1/4 alien and it's the reason I have x-ray eyes.
https://youtube.com/@miniminuteman773?si=AKDf4v0VQ4xR9KrQ
Dude is legit entertaining while debunking this nonsense. You’ll learn a lot not just about the science, but about how they constructed their faulty arguments and where to push to make them fall apart like playdoh.
Enjoy the shows as fiction and have conversations with the mindset of "but wouldn't it be cool if that was real?". Sometimes it's good to escape reality and pretend for a while. And it sounds like this would help you build a good rapport with your colleagues.
I recommend this comment as the most simple and effective approach -
"I was unsure of whether I could trust y'all with this info, but after talking with you a bit I think it's time to come clean." And then start talking about Second Impact as if it happened IRL and not in a famous anime. (Spoilers for Evangelion in the link.) There's already in-lore conspiracies and coverups to use as talking points.
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLjhctHjnIbUgvin0ZlrsHg87l_k1RrKdf This playlist is very long, but this is a historian dunking on any sort of ancient alien or lost ancient technology theories.
I agree with others that it might not be worth it
If you do want something though, to pass the time or whatever, this is a pretty good video on how to address them
Ultimate Conspiracy Debunker - Kurzgesagt (typing on the bus, sorry for mispelling it)
your written English is great
conversation does not need to be debate. What these people really want is to talk. Ask questions, like "what evidence did you find most convincing?" Odds are they won't even notice you didn't agree with them, they just want to be heard.
there doesn't need to be a conversation at all. Drift out of these sorts of conversations or change the topic. I can't imagine a scenario in which debating the existence of aliens with a coworker would be worth my energy.
@SpaceAce this is firmly in the "I could teach you, but I'd have to charge" category. You're not their mother or their teacher so if they want to believe nonsense then let them.
There are some documentaries debunking Ancient Aliens though.
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