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The only politeness and welcoming behaviour a 2024 Trump voter will get form me or anyone I know is a false welcoming to the resistance before being snuck out back and shot like the Nazis they are
They've had 10 years to not be Nazis, they don't get another chance
ETA: Shocker, .world is a Nazi-loving space
Liberals keep trying to do this. The Nazis will join you temporarily and then turn around and vote for the very next Trump. It is an extremely small minority that actually changes their views, and they are welcome.
And how do you get the Nazis to even consider joining you?
Appealing to them.
Do we need the Democratic Party sliding further to the right?
No.
While I hear you, and there are definitely some voters that will never, ever, ever change their mind - I encourage you to direct this energy toward the elected ones who continue to lie to their base and capitulate to the billionaires/Russia/etc.
I completely agree.
Some of us out here are truly harm reductive and are sewing faces back on. We all need to band together before the leapords start coming for our throats.
They're included in that, they're just not the subject of the thread
I misunderstood the thread then. The original post didn't have the edit it does now.
Mutual Aid relies on mutual security. Investigate someone's language and demeanor before including them in praxis.
Try to think practically instead of just with emotion.
Do you think the Democratic Party is in need of pushing further and further right?
The resistance: “Here’s a cupcake, we’ll never talk about abortion or minorities again. Heil Hitler”
Being cordial with them is fine, working with them to protest right now is fine.
But let's not forget that they are at best temporary allies. That don't actually share any values, they're just upset that the administration isn't hurting the right people.
There will be a scant few that truly not vote for a Republican and that's about the best you can expect, be prepared that they continue to vote hard R in the end.
They're the "independents".... they'll vote for whoever comes along and tells them what they want to hear and they'll not investigate further.
This is why Bernie got so close. Trump's messaging is cathartic for them. "We're gonna get the guys who did this to you!" Trump yells, standing behind the guys that did this to them.
Bernie's messaging was "Shit has been bad for a long time. Let's fix it. Tell me your problem and we'll work something out. The rich fucked you over. We're gonna make them pay taxes."
Dems if they want to stay one party, need to find that messaging again. Hell Dwight D Eisenhower could get elected as a dem these days.
Shit's fucked.
I'm really really sorry, now that the leopards are eating my face....
A University of Massachusetts-Amherst poll of 1,000 people from early April found that just 2% of Trump voters say they regret their choice and wish they had voted differently.
Jesus Christ...
The reality is that a person in a cult leaves it quietly. At the start of the process, they have doubts and fears but repeat the mantras about how they're still absolutely a member of the cult.
And we're seeing that. We're seeing people upset about what's happening, yet claiming they still support him. That's what a person leaving a cult actually looks like – doubt, self-assurance, and then quietly quesstioning it whilst acting to their peers that they're still believers. They're not necessarily aware that this is the beginning of them leaving, many want their leader to reassure them of those doubts, and get slowly unsettled when they don't.
If you ask them point-blank if they renounce their faith, they're not willing to admit it publicly. That's too real. They'll just slowly fade away, and try to live like it didn't happen.
Which means if you want people to leave a cult, you have to let them do it quietly. Even if its hard, if you're angry and want to punish them. If they're giving up a community they know accepts them, it won't be to join a community that never will.
I hope you're right... However, history has shown that these people vote and they always vote R, no matter how awful the party is. It seems really hard to get them out of that habit.
And most of them would rather die before voting for someone with a "D" next to their name.
Just wait for the store shelves to empty this month. That number will go up.
It's a cult. I'm not surprised.
I wonder if that 2% was because they were directly impacted by him. Additionally, I assume most haven’t changed their minds because they came in knowing that there would be hard times ahead.
With that said, I live in a very r area and have been keeping tabs on the flags. My grocery store started selling us flags last month and now there are new houses with flags. They didn’t have them up at all before.
Shouldn't be turning people away that are apologetic, but don't think the path to victory lies there. All the people that are sitting out elections are the ones that should be targeted. So few of eligible voters are actually doing so.
I keep talking to people who didn't vote and they keep saying it's because neither candidate represents their interests.
Maybe we should be 'targeting' the establishment simps that keep nominating establishment candidates?
Trump only won because Bernie lost, for example. How come we don't blame the people who nominated hillary clinton?
Disagree if you want, but I've felt this way and have been saying some variation of this (but perhaps not as eloquently) pretty much since November of 2024.
Granted, in the immediate wake of the election, even I didn't think things would be this way, at least not so soon. As soon as he took office, anybody with half a brain cell could see, first-hand sans conjecture, just how much of a disaster we were in for. I was like, at this stage, we're going to have to root for the hamberders to do their thing and in the mean time we're going to have to turn the other cheek and accept those Trump voters who come to regret their vote. If there are enough of them, and they genuinely see an apology as a path out of the cult, there's a better chance of turning things around.
That's the right thing to do. Making it easy for people to accept that they were wrong makes it much easier to pull support from the opposing party. If you constantly ridicule, mock or insult them, they are much more likely to stick with their opinion simply because they do not want to accept that you were right.
A vast majority on lemmy should learn this aswell.
A vast majority on lemmy should learn this aswell.
from what i’ve seen, yes people are angry but people are willing to accept apologies that aren’t based entirely in leopards eating faces… you don’t get a pass for your shitty ignorant behaviour just because that behaviour comes to bite you in the ass
you get to apologise and have it accepted if you’ve seen the harm that’s been done to other people and are genuinely remorseful
Getting apologies would be nice, but it starts with acceptance. Right now, if a Trump voter can accept that they messed up or were led astray, and they can be convinced to join the resistance, that's all I care about. I care less about hearing an "I'm sorry" than I do about having more people on the streets today - actions speak louder than words, and to turn down someone who's joined our side over something as petty as "Have you apologized yet?" would do little more than push people away.
We need a united front right now, and just as former Trump voters have to suck up the bad feelings of having contributed to this mess, we have to hold off on purity-testing our fellow protesters and accept that to fight the oligarchs, it takes all of us, regardless of our feelings toward each other.
That’s fantastic. This encourages taking personal responsibility over their action. I think it’s important to allow people to learn and grow, without the shame. Shame keeps people locked into their false beliefs. The more apologetics we have, the faster change will come. With that said, don’t forget these people. They still have fucked up beleifs.
Fucked up beliefs that are rooted in fear of losing what little they have. The class war affects them as much as us, and the more people who realize it, the more well equipped for revolution they'll be
Yall maybe forgiving but not i any and all Trump voters are traitors. Because you cannot stand there and listen to this man commit sedition
Say shit like "i have a concept of a plan"
And still slap knee "gosh darn it that is the man I must vote for president what a patriot!"
Fuck that. Cowards all of them. Every single one in gov. And every single voter.
Remember the women who slept with Nazis and after the war? That's Trump supporters.
I think there's a difference between someone who voted trump and realized they fucked up in a like deep , systemic, way, and someone who doesn't like this specific implemention of right wing stuff.
Like, if they regret trump but keep voting R, that's not good.
not hating misled trump voters is actually a really good idea and more people need to try it
not saying that the actually insane ones arent worth hating, but some people are just maga bc everyone they know is
Everyone makes mistakes, those that can admit it are rare. Those that can forgive rarer still. And both should be role models.
Appologetic is the key word. There needs to be accountability, not even for a sake of justice or anything, but just due to the fact that they need to have learned a lesson to be an ally of the cause, and not just an eventual traitor.
If they're genuinely apologetic and recognize they made a terrible choice, then yes... Welcome back to reality.
Hey, so long as they're willing to put the ones who aren't apologetic against the wall