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Yes, that's why I said that many sports have introduced a hormone therapy "minimum", so to speak. Which is fine I guess, depending on the sport. This has to be individually tested.

But allowing trans women into sport without any extensive hormone therapy is straightup unfair.

Explain your reasoning for why women wouldn’t perform to roughly the same level as everyone else in their performance class.

Because the entire concept of "performance class" is absolutely stupid. I don't even know how to argue against it because the entire concept is dumb. Sport is about competition, who is the best etc. Your performance class bullshit would kill that off.

I know you probably don’t want to hear this, but the biological differences between cis and trans people are irrelevant. Sports were only segregated because men’s precious feelings get hurt when they are bested by women. Forcing trans women to compete against men will cause men to lose to people they don’t recognize as men and thereby create more problems than were solved.

Actually, sports were segregated because the average women can't compete with the average man, and a single look into the guiness book of world records would show you that. However, if that's your world view, I'm sorry, no point in arguing. I'll still answer the rest, but that's probably the last thing I'll answer from you.

Bans on trans women in chess have been a multi-year scandal for the International Chess Federation.

I am well aware of that, but it shouldn't be. Chess is about intellect, not physical prowess, and women are absolutely on the same level as men.

When did they start segregating e-sports? Last I checked, the big tournaments were all mixed.

They don't ... because physical prowess is irrelevant.

Because abandoning fairness to enforce gender testing that will primarily harm cis women by excluding them from competition for having too much natural testostetone like Caster Semenya is better, right?

Caster Semenya has a condition causing her to have much higher testosterone levels than other women. That has nothing to do with trans people. I do agree that excluding her because of this is unfair.

Anyways, as I've stated above, that's the last thing I'll answer as you don't have any arguments, just feelings and "men bad". Have a good one!

I have never heard this argument come out of someone who doesn’t look like a wet noodle could outclass them in physical ability

Oh dw about that, I do go to the gym more regularly since covid.

It’s always a keyboard warrior who hasn’t cooked a meal since the Kraft Mac he made in 9th grade when his parents left him alone one evening and wouldn’t know what the inside of a gym looks like if it weren’t in GTA.

Oh, you also don't have to worry about that. I do cook regularly for me and my girlfriend, and mostly healthy stuff, apart from the occasional cream sauce.

Motherfucker, I knew plenty of cis women who could easily out-class me in physical abilities and I was in the US military

Okay, very cool. Doesn't change the fact that men - on average - are physically superior. I also know a few women that could fuck me up, but I know WAY more women that I could fuck up.

The only people who care what’s in the pants of the enlisted person beside them are pieces of shit who don’t deserve to be there. Focus on your fucking job, and stop fantasizing about their crotch. Not once did I ever wonder what a person was assigned at birth while I was in. They wouldn’t be there if they couldn’t physically do it. Nobody is lowering qualifications of military personnel because the individual is trans.

You seem to misunderstand me. I never said trans people should not be allowed in the military. I was only arguing against transpeople in SPORTS. Military, the gender should not matter - while I do still think that women are - on average - weaker than men, that should not bar them from serving, because it's not a competition about who's the best, unlike in sports.

You can’t just say “hurt durr Americans are just irresponsible;”

Actually, I can. That's why americans are more obese and have more credit card debt - it all boils down to irresponsibility.

I’m trying to have a conversation about what it would take to actually solving the problem here

Solving the problem would be rather simple, subsidize healthy food so a cucumber doesn't cost 6$. Make mandatory cooking classes in school so kids know how to cook, at least to some extent. The magical word is "education".

even if the problem really were that Americans were more irresponsible on average compared to people from other countries

There is no "if". They are.

there would have to be a systemic reason why

No. It boils down to people eating shitty food and not knowing/having no interest in knowing how to cook.

Like, we can argue all day about american processed food being full of additives and sugar and high fructose corn sirup etc, which is certainly the case, but at the end of the day, the people who eat it know that this is the case, so they are irresponsible, and if they don't, it once again boils down to education.

Time to look for other services then.

What’s the point of degregating sports by gender?

Because men outclass women in almost any physical ability, be it strength, speed or endurance. Just look at world records.

If it’s a matter of performance then they can break sports into performance classes

Ah yes, let's make sport less accessible by introducing arbitrary limitations. Do we have basketball up to 1.60m height, then up to 1.70m height, then up to 1.80m height and so on? And do we introduce different tiers within those tiers by only having people up to 1.70m and 60kg, then 1.70 and 70kg ...

You CANT split sport into "performance classes", at least not in a way where it would help - men would on average still be in the higher "performance class" and nothing would change.

If it’s a matter of fairness and making space for women in sports, then trans women deserve not to have to play with the boys just like any other woman.

I know you probably don't want to hear that, but biologically, trans women aren't women. They are still physically superior to cis women. That's why we prefix them with "trans". Even after extensive hormone therapy, trans women still have some advantages over cis women.

Nobody has a problem with trans women in non-physical sports. Nobody would bat an eye if there was a trans women in chess. Nobody would care if there was a trans woman in e-sports (we actually had one years ago in league if I remember correctly). But we can't just abandon fairness for cis women in sport because we want to appease a small number of trans women, and on a physical level (especially before hormone therapy), they still do have an advantage.

Good. Maybe we can go back to paying for our services instead of getting tracked everywhere we go.