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[–] MoonMelon@lemmy.ml 43 points 6 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

You're going to have ticks in the native area too, especially the marginal zones. They love those. Ticks are native, unfortunately. Remediating your land for native insects' benefit will actually be better for ticks than having an acre of 2" turf grass, but that's just because short lawns are totally ecologically dead.

When I was more uninformed I was more of a purist. The more I've done on my own property, and the more I've consulted with experts, the more I've learned that it's actually a balance between human needs and ecology. Now I'm sort of in the "if planting turf grass by your house is what you need to be on board with the rest of it, fine."

We can't promise people ticks will go away, more like teach people the critical value of native insects. Keep tall grass away from your house, sure, but think about walkways instead of acres of lawn for the rest of it. People plant lawns and call Mosquito Joe to fog it all so "their children can play" but consider your children living in a world with no bugs at all. That's the trade off. IMO it's a lot more scary than ticks, and I fucking hate ticks.

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I'm required to keep a 100 ft perimeter of defensible space around my house, so I do need to clear quite a bit. I try to leave as much otherwise, recently (5 ish years) I had considerable sprouting of volunteer oaks. Probably 15 or so across my property, not sure if that's indicative of the land being healthier but we get a decent amount of wild mushrooms as well.

[–] MoonMelon@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 days ago

Oak are great. A lot of the understory in oak/hickory forest is now maple and tulip poplar due to shifting climate and possibly deer pressure. It's called mesophication.

My property is also oak/hickory complex and I can say anecdotally that the native understory has a lot of tulip poplar.

[–] other_cat@lemmy.zip 5 points 6 days ago (5 children)

One of my relatives' primary concerns isn't ticks, it's mice getting into the house. Is that a valid concern? Personally I think just keeping a couple of indoor cats would offset encroaching rodents.

[–] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago

Depends on that cat.

[–] MoonMelon@lemmy.ml 7 points 6 days ago

In my experience if you have access points for mice they will get in whether you have a suburban turf grass lawn or not, and a cat can't get them if they are in the walls or crawlspace. So the best bet is to seal up any holes and keep all vegetation, native or not, at least a couple of feet away from the house.

[–] Umbrias@beehaw.org 6 points 6 days ago

it kinda does both, there are more mice but the more naturalized habitat gives them more places to hide that isnt your house, especially in the spring/summer fall, but winter too. I dont know, others get mice all the time anyway, we occasionally do, i dont know if it's an improvement or not. I do know that a well sealed house in the woods with totally native habitat for acres (not mine sadly, lol) has far fewer pests than in any suburb house so i think there's merit.

[–] RebekahWSD@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

I had a cat once that let a mouse come up to it, touch noses, then run away.

It really REALLY depends on the cat.

[–] ReplicantBatty@lemmy.one 3 points 6 days ago

One of my cats would probably be scared of the mice, and the other would probably make friends with the mice. They are both disappointments to their Great Ancestors

[–] Dojan@pawb.social 40 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Hehe. The image makes it look like pine matures to oak and hickory.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 6 days ago (1 children)

this is now canon in the pokemon universe

[–] Zoomboingding@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Tallpine evolved into Oakollossal.

Oakollossal wants to learn Acorn Drop.

Forget a move to learn Acorn Drop?

[–] turnip@sh.itjust.works 15 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Where I live you can't cut down a tree, and if it gets destroyed you need to pay thousands for a botanist to come out. I would never take the risk of planting a tree.

[–] suite403@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

Yikes. One of those good in theory, but completely backfired ideas

[–] Manifish_Destiny@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Where tf do you live?

Nvm Canada. That would make sense in some places.

[–] halowpeano@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

Destroyed no matter the cause? I've heard of laws like that for intentionally cutting down healthy trees, but it never applied to natural causes.

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I wish I could allow my yard to revert to the low brush it naturally was, problem is that a certain invasive weed from central fucking Asia would disagree. I blame the fucking Russians.

[–] PyroNeurosis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Is it kudzu? Shit's everywhere.

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

As the other dude noted it's tumbleweed.

I guess I learned our most cherished Western stereotype is actually central asian. And that we have a major problem of invasive species across all biomes.

[–] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

I'll stop at shrubs. Seems like a fair balance

[–] hedhoncho@lemm.ee 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 6 days ago

Some spiders are really bad.

....hmmmm...

LOTS of spiders are really bad, and some are acceptable. As long as there is balance and not millions of brown recluses AND they all stay the f away from inside my home.

And they eat the mosquitoes and ticks and whatever else is bad. But also leave the ladybugs and rolley-poleys and honey bees.

And no murder hornets or whatever.. in fact, no hornets at all.

[–] jabathekek@sopuli.xyz 114 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

IIRC there are ways to greatly speed this up by selectively planting certain fast growing trees to attract certain birds that will poop all over your lawn thus planting certain seeds. Basically you skip the first two steps with free bird poop. I think it was an old rail siding in London somewhere... or something like that. They planted a single willow tree that attracted the birds and BOOM ~~head shot~~ habitat.

https://www.rhs.org.uk/shows-events/rhs-urban-show/urban-gardening/guerrilla-gardening

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/sylvia-wilde-a-forest-garden-primer

[–] Entheon@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago (3 children)

That's really interesting! Do you have any links or more info on this process?

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[–] imPastaSyndrome@lemm.ee 50 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Okay so where can I grow something that won't be full of ticks?

[–] Midnitte@beehaw.org 2 points 6 days ago

You don't.

Instead, you always have a roving band of chickens following you to eat them.

[–] Photuris@lemmy.ml 49 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Basically, how can we, as humans, use our propensity for destroying entire species, but do it for the power of good, on purpose so we can eliminate ALL TICKS FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH‽

[–] Quadhammer@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago

Get a colony of fire ants and then feed them meth and hgc

[–] Squibbles@lemmy.ca 49 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Maybe we can breed super mosquitos to eat the ticks or something

[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 37 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Why do you choose violence?

[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 12 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Violence isn't the answer. It's a question, and the answer is "yes".

[–] Warehouse@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 week ago

Choosing to get rid of the ticks is already choosing violence.

[–] jabathekek@sopuli.xyz 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You foster a family of possums at the same time.

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[–] dumples@midwest.social 40 points 1 week ago (1 children)

For a lawn or yard you don't have to go all the way to a forest to have a stablish ecosystem. Perennials can do a lot.

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

And actually in some places prarieland is probably more important for conservation.

In my case it was plant a couple of native fruit trees for me, dig a small perrenial pond and add some rocks so amphibians can feel safe, and sprinkle in seeds for native grasses, especially edible ones and let nature do it’s work. It was probably my favourite. Loved it.

Shame I don’t live there anymore.

[–] dumples@midwest.social 2 points 6 days ago

Its easier to get natives but still takes some effort. But its front loaded and makes beautiful spaces

[–] darklamer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 1 week ago (4 children)

There's no way you're going to get Hickory growing naturally in your garden, unless your garden is in some very specific parts of the world.

[–] SpongyAneurism@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 21 points 6 days ago (1 children)

This is just an example of course. Succession can look differently and lead to very different results, depending on where exactly it is happening.

I'd also argue, that leaving your garden alone to let succession run its course is not neccessarily the ideal to strive for. Even simply speeding up the process to get to the final stage isn't.

Gardens are a very different sort of ecosystem from an extended woodlands area and there are many ways to use them for human recreation and as a habitat for many species, that even exceed the biodiversity of the potentially naturally occuring ecosystem.
A trimmed suburban lawn is just one of the worst options.

[–] darklamer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 days ago

This is just an example of course.

Of course, but it does annoy me when something so specific is mentioned, instead of simply writing "hardwood trees" (or whatever information it was that the reader was supposed to infer from that example).

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[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 week ago (9 children)

What does the undergrowth of an oak hickory Forest look like? People can plant the trees, but how do you get the undergrowth?

[–] Mordred_85@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Given time enough sand and leaves and other organic matter deposits in the soil, decomposed by long numbers of life cycles together with dirt and moisture becomes soil, but you cannot plant everywhere trees. Imagine plant an oak in the Sahara, no chance it’ll make it after 3 hours at noon. That’s what succession suggests!

[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

At some point, it you're assuming a single infographic is intended to be followed to the letter in every area across the planet, then that misunderstanding is your fault

[–] Mordred_85@lemmy.world 0 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Thanks, I’ll keep that in mind, thanks again for your time and effort of this comment, it should have been hard to elaborate this concept.

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[–] JoYo@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

this weekend we chiseled off the grass sod out of our backyard in preparation for planting native perennial species. it's all clay back there so it's going to take some soil prep.

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