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Summary

Former vice presidential nominee Tim Walz criticized Trump for economic chaos while taking personal responsibility for the situation during an MSNBC interview.

"We wouldn't be in this mess if we'd have won the election — and we didn't," Walz told Chris Hayes. He called Trump the "worst possible business executive" and praised the Wall Street Journal's editorial criticizing Trump's tariff war.

Walz emphasized Democrats must offer something better, not just criticize Trump. Recently, he acknowledged a leadership void in the Democratic Party and admitted spending too much time combatting Trump's false claims about immigrants.

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[–] KulunkelBoom@lemm.ee 75 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I disagree Mr. Walz. Had Biden not sat on his hands after being given the power of god by the supreme court - we wouldn't be in this mess today.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You don't even need to go to the SCOTUS decision. Would have been enough for Biden to order his DOJ to immediately arrest and imprison Trump, in the same way that Trump is currently arresting and imprisoning American residents. We've done far worse to people suspected of espionage for far less.

[–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm still baffled Joe is a free man, must be a consequence of having lots of money.

[–] TehWorld@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

There’s no money to be made by either Trump or President Musk, so why bother with arresting him?

[–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

But I guess he never locked her up so

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

Shit if Biden had engaged with the 25th amendment in good faith and we'd had President Harris for a year already it would have been totally different.

[–] terribletzar@lemmy.ca 46 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This headline is trash. He's saying we wouldn't be in this mess if they'd won. The headline makes it sound like he's taking much more blame than his actual quote implies.

[–] Crikeste@lemm.ee 25 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I read it as “we didn’t win because we didn’t try hard enough.”

He states pretty clearly that democrats need to offer more than just not being another person.

[–] straightjorkin@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It's unfortunate because he was definitely not the problem.

[–] Crikeste@lemm.ee 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Absolutely. Harris didn’t do a single thing to show she was any different than a piece of paper with talking points on it. She did nothing to inspire anyone of anything.

On their other hand, when Tim Walz spoke, I was fucking screaming in my parent’s basement critical support to him. lmfao He fucking got me going, I would have rallied behind that dude.

But no, no progress, only centrist democratic bullshit as the entire country gets pulled out from under us

[–] straightjorkin@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

I'm just so sick of the bs centrist dem bullshit where they won't pull left in anyway because they're so focused on their big dollar donors

[–] RedAggroBest@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

When they sidelined him and started campaigning with the Cheneys, any blame was taken off of him.

[–] straightjorkin@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago

They muzzled him despite the fact that calling Republicans "weird" was working.

[–] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 46 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Props to him for taking ownership of it. It means a lot even if it isn't fully his fault.

[–] MisterFrog@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

He's much more down to earth than the democratic establishment, or even Harris.

At least, this is the vibes I'm getting.

I don't blame him, despite not knowing that much about him.

[–] GoodOleAmerika@lemmy.world 58 points 2 days ago (8 children)

Not you walz but the Democratic party. Send out 19 billion to Israel while our kids were hungry in school.

[–] medgremlin@midwest.social 5 points 1 day ago

Tim signed the bill that guaranteed free breakfast and lunch for every K-12 student in Minnesota public schools. No needs-testing, no "lunch debt"...just free healthy food for children.

[–] peterpan520@feddit.org 25 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Thank God Trump won, because now we get... checks notes... Mar-a-Gaza!?

[–] GoodOleAmerika@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Like as if Biden did not find Israel. 19 billion dollar of our money As a Democrat, I expected Biden to do better. We already know trump is crap. One worse does not make another one good. Both parties are bad. United States is doomed with just two parties. I don't want any of these two parties. What's you take?

If you want to win my vote and many others, know your base well democrats. We are not here to elect the least worse, we are here to elect the best out there for this nation. And don't come btching here because u guys literally are the one that said our vote does not count before the election. may be it suddenly does? See ya in 2028. Hope u learn some lesson.

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 190 points 3 days ago (39 children)

“I think Americans have had it,” Walz explained. ”... Look, I own this. We wouldn’t be in this mess if we’d have won the election ― and we didn’t.”

Good to see someone from the campaign acknowledge "getting votes" was the campaign's entire job, and losing the election is the fault of the campaign.

I hope Walz runs in a competitive primary and gets the nomination.

But if they try to just hand a baton off, we're gonna see the same result.

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[–] MisterOwl@lemmy.world 152 points 3 days ago (33 children)

Nope. This is on Biden. It's his fault Harris/Walz were put into an impossible situation.

That senile old fuck was supposed to be a one-term president. If they'd spent 4 years planning for 2024 instead of sitting around with their thumbs up their asses maybe they could have run a winning campaign.

But no, Joe was too proud or stupid or both to stick to that plan. This election was lost the instant he doddered his way on to the debate stage on 6/27/24.

[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 88 points 3 days ago (6 children)

It's on Biden and Garland for not throwing Trump in prison the second his term ended.

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 67 points 3 days ago (9 children)

Exactly, and it's the third time we've been betrayed like this.

Not going after the Bush administration.

Not going after the subprime mortgage architects.

Not going after Trump.

Three times, they've had the easiest of layups for public approval of all time and they've consistently fucked it up.

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[–] TheGiantKorean@lemmy.world 55 points 3 days ago (10 children)

Lots and lots of balls were dropped. Garland didn't get Trump in jail when he could have. Biden didn't stick to only one term. A democratic candidate wasn't really elected when Biden stepped down (for the record, I think that Harris was more than qualified, but a lot of people were upset that she was just "chosen"). Harris didn't try to stand out and be her own candidate - she mostly just stuck with the status quo and never disagreed with Biden. Etc etc etc.

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[–] WhatThaFudge@lemmy.sdf.org 61 points 2 days ago (4 children)

“We wouldn’t be in this mess if we’d have won the election — and we didn’t,”
(Implies that if they(H&W) would have won we wouldn't be in this mess)

has quite the different sentiment than

"Tim Walz says ‘we wouldn’t be in this mess’ if it wasn’t for him and Harris" (Implies its their fault we are in this mess)

These headlines -_-

Not that I prefer straight bias but we got conservative media calling these people cutting all of everyone's safety nets "heroes" and this is supposed to be liberal media straight misquoting for clicks?

We are in the worst timeline.

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[–] RabbitBBQ@lemmy.world 40 points 2 days ago (16 children)

It's so obvious the democratic party lied about Biden to get through the nomination phase and used the fact that the money already donated for the campaign was specifically to Biden or Harris and would not have easily been given over to any other new candidate. You do have to wonder, especially after how Trump was greeted by them, just what actually happened here. The fact is that the truth about Bidens condition should have been known, he should have decided not to run, and the Democratic party should've had a real primary for real candidates and new ideas. Tim Walz was as bad of a VP pick as Tim Kaine. The white guy as VP to shore up the right wing vote is a total myth. Biden was kind of the first one, then Tim Kaine, then Tim Walz. It just doesn't work. Neither will Newsoms podcast attempt at finding common ground which he hopes will translate into moderate votes. Democrats really have no clue just how bad things are about to get...

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[–] lordkekz@discuss.tchncs.de 103 points 3 days ago (41 children)

Turns out holding back the things that work (like calling fascists "weird") while not breaking with some of Biden's unpopular policies was a terrible idea... who would've thought? At least Walz is honest enough to admit it. I doubt the DNC will let the social democrats like Walz or Bernie take the lead though... establishment dems would rather stand by and praise Reagan while Trump dismantles the constitution.

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[–] jpreston2005@lemmy.world 55 points 3 days ago (4 children)

There's no leadership void in the Democratic Party, it's been Bernard Sanders for quite a while. Them denying this is to their (and everyone elses) detriment. Just run Bernie/AOC and let's get this over with.

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[–] melpomenesclevage@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 2 days ago (3 children)

honestly, if walz had been managed competently, I think he'd have been a pretty good folksy VP candidate. especially if he'd kept up on the 'weeeeird' stuff.

harris was just a terrible idea, and she didn't even push her strengths. it's like she, and the people who put her there, were all trying to lose.

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[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

Imagine Trump, or any other billionaire, saying something like this. Can't do it? Me neither.

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 2 days ago (2 children)

i want walz and aoc in 2028

we don't blame you tim we love you ❤️

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