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Trump's envoy Steve Witkoff, in a CNN interview with Jake Tapper, failed to specify any Russian concessions in a potential Ukraine peace deal despite detailing demands on Ukraine.

After claiming a "friendship" with Putin, Witkoff spoke vaguely about "territorial" and "economic" concessions from both sides. He also claimed a U.S.-Ukraine deal on raw earth minerals would be signed soon.

When confronted with Russian state TV footage suggesting Trump’s stance aligns with Putin’s, Witkoff insisted diplomacy requires communication.

His remarks fueled concerns over Trump’s approach to Russia and Ukraine.

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[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 175 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I've seen a LOT of russian/trump, "it's a mystery if they're in bed together" type posts for the past few days. It made me pull out the bookmarks from the first term. Here is some ammo if anyone needs it (other stuff is mixed in). Remember, leave the link and depart. If you're explaining, you're losing.

https://sh.itjust.works/post/33277983

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 28 points 2 weeks ago

"Haven't they paid enough with the lives of their dear boys?"

[–] notsoshaihulud@lemmy.world 144 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (14 children)

I remain unimpressed by CNN reporters because he has not asked the most important question: What will guarantee Russia's adherence to any kind of peace deal?

It's boring to repost it the Nth time but the 1994 Budapest Memorandum was quite clear about these matters:

  1. Respect the signatory's independence and sovereignty in the existing borders
  2. Refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of the signatories...
  3. Refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest...
  4. Seek immediate Security Council action to provide assistance to the signatory if they "should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used".

Yet, putin kicked nearly every single point in the memorandum the moment he felt ready. Why would the same leader act differently in the future?

It's eerily similar in my view to the Abraham accords. Trump negotiated bypassing Palestinians and then we got Oct 7 and the war that spiraled from it. These "deals" are as flimsy as a CyberTruck, but it's also very trumpy. He gets to act like a peacemaker and then his successor will deal with the consequent shit. Same thing happened in Afghanistan.

*edit: also, if someone wants to be "fair" (i'd rather say naive) one can consider the official Russian narrative, but again that narrative explicitly goes against the Budapest Memorandum, meaning, they are very open about not respecting treaties they sign.

[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 41 points 2 weeks ago

CNN was bought by a right wing shitbag. They are FOX News in a trench coat

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[–] Nougat@fedia.io 125 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

That's because there aren't any.

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[–] horse_battery_staple@lemmy.world 111 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (19 children)

Meanwhile Zelensky is saying he'll give up the presidency in exchange for NATO membership.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn9vx01evp9o

[–] prodigalsorcerer@lemmy.ca 74 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Is that a concession? I don't think he actually wants to be president anymore.

Don't get me wrong, it's the correct "deal" to make - it's the most overt declaration he can make to those who claim he wants to be dictator for life - I just think it's probably a win/win for him.

[–] horse_battery_staple@lemmy.world 72 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Win win win to be honest. It's just further proof he doesn't want to be the dictator he's accused of being.

[–] Spzi@lemm.ee 30 points 2 weeks ago

And further proof he's the much better diplomat/politician than those who exclude him.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 32 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Is that a concession?

It's absolutely a concession, and a very big one too. It's a concession to the Trump allegations that Zelenskyy is a dictator. And this bullshit argument was given as one of the reasons he wasn't invited to the talks in Saudi Arabia.

I don’t think he actually wants to be president anymore.

Doesn't change the fact that it's a very big concession.

[–] GreatBlueHeron@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It might be the correct deal, but it worries me. I can only imagine the people saying he wants to be a dictator are those that want a Putin style election to install another puppet. I know they have to have elections at some point - it's just a worry!

[–] horse_battery_staple@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I highly doubt any Russian aligned party or candidate would win any office. Doubtful they'd survive the election in a place like Mariupol or Sebastopol.

[–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Winning’s overrated

Wonder how we can protect exit polling - that’s how we know Maduro stole so big.

I mean the Ukrainian people are currently fighting against a Russian invasion. This could be a problem in a decade or so. But not anytime soon.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 weeks ago

Trump will agree as long as he quits first then pull the rug from under Ukraine.

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[–] Ciderpunk@lemmy.world 61 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Incredible that Trump remains so mad that Obama got a Nobel Peace Prize that he’s willing to literally just order an ally to give up so he can claim he made the peace and demand his prize. He really was just entirely broken by a black man being president.

[–] Hegar@fedia.io 72 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This has nothing to do with obama or peace prizes.

Trump is an agent of putin's will and he's carrying out russia's foreign policy by demanding the full surrender of ukraine.

[–] lupusblackfur@lemmy.world 34 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

This has nothing to do with obama or peace prizes.

Oh, you bet it does. Don't be silly.

Both things can be true simultaneously. 🤷‍♂️

Along with some other as yet unnamed reasons/causes.

[–] takeda@lemm.ee 17 points 2 weeks ago

There are things trump does that are erratic, but if you look at his first term and now he always was very consistent when it came to Russia and putin.

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[–] Oyml77@lemmy.today 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The entire right wing of the country absolutely went off the deep end when a black man was elected president. Make no doubt about it, the Republican party was always awful and on the way to getting worse, but Obama's election was the the catalyst that drove mainstream conservatives into conspiracy theories and ultranationalistic race identity politics.

Or it really was the Mayan calendar ending. Or not enough dicks out for Harambe.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 46 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

We all knew the so-called "peace deal" was going to be rough but "US takes this half, Russia takes that half" is a new low even for him.

The EU needs to step up it's war machine. More manufacturing, more army, more WMDs. If we can't rely on the US then we need our own.

Sure, all that is expensive, but not half as expensive as not having it. There's a lot to be said for having a big stick you never have to use.

[–] ubergeek@lemmy.today 15 points 2 weeks ago

We all knew the so-called “peace deal” was going to be rough but “US takes this half, Russia takes that half” is a new low even for him.

Its pretty on par, being honest.

I mean, last time, it was Poland.

[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 30 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

President Krasnov is a fucking bitch

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[–] gon@lemm.ee 29 points 2 weeks ago
[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 27 points 2 weeks ago

Their concession is sending someone to listen to the Trump guy.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 27 points 2 weeks ago

The blind leading the lame

[–] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 27 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Donald Trump’s Middle East envoy, who met with Russian President Vladimir Putin last week, said a deal over Ukraine’s raw earth minerals could be signed this week.

The deal will be signed with Russia. Trump will want carve up Ukraine between the US and Russia.

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 30 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Remember how the Nazis and the Soviet Union made a treat before WWII dividing Poland between them?

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 27 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] xc2215x@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago

They are none.

[–] Grabthar@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago

Trump just looks so weak here. So much for being a strongman. I guess he just likes being manhandled?

[–] el_bhm@lemm.ee 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Weird way to spell capitulation.

[–] ubergeek@lemmy.today 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Its "Molotov-Ribbentrop". That's the term you're looking for.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov-Ribbentrop_Pact

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[–] sheetzoos@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Our cold war enemy has the president of the United States in his pocket.

[–] yarr@feddit.nl 10 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

He might let us have Alaska. Trump'd probably take that deal.

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[–] eran_morad@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

Bend over, blyat.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

What are they talking about?!? Russia is obviously conceding half of Ukraine for the next 3 to 5 years. It is absolutely gracious of them to allow the people in Ukraine to borrow that territory until Russia feels like actually ruling it again!

/s

[–] Chocrates@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

I don't want to give Twitter any of my traffic, so I found it here: https://youtu.be/Tbr_4tbvImc

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